How can you tell who is a genuine Christian from a fake?

God is the one who decides who is genuinely born again as Christian, but there are lots of verses telling us to watch out for them, because he expects us to be vigilant.

Bush, for example, claimed the description but lied about Iraq to get the nation into a war that killed thousands of Americans and 100s of 1000s of Iraquis. He created the “faith-based” ministries to entice gullible Christian ministries into taking it to later use against them.

One famous scholar (Montesquieu maybe?) wrote that the way that governments get religions to do what they want is not ordering them to obey, but by “helping” them. Follow the money.

“Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. ” – Matthew 7:20

In the case of Skull and Bones 41 (Bush Sr.), he was a scoffer and a Christian in his White House blew the whistle on him. With Obama and the Clintons it’s more obvious. Should be I should think to any genuine Christian at least.

There’s a verse I can’t remember right now also about how the spirit of one can recognize the Lord’s spirit in another, but I knew some people of whom it manifested. But I think that takes some time learning the word to get to that point.

A missionary couple in Colombia, for example, dining just before leaving one town, felt drawn to speak to another couple dining there, they thought it was to share the gospel. But it was another missionary couple.

In another case I heard of, a guy landed in a town in Italy but lost the address of the missionary home he was to join. Walking downtown along the street, he turned around to look at another guy who had just passed him with his wife, who also turned around, they looked at each other for a minute then approached and smiling, they knew each other though they had never met.

I also “accidentally” ran into somebody I knew in Miami in a similar situation, though less dramatically.

On the other hand, in my only encounter with a Jesuit priest, that guy had an evil and hateful spiritual aura that was thick and palpable (to me and my companion) in his presence, aimed at me and my witnessing partner of course.

Un-hive your mind but watch out for deceivers

There is a web site out there that calls itself “the unhived mind”.

To me, That site seems a bit suspiciously too much like a youtube a fellow libertarian (and atheist) once pointed me to, at least the general “attitude” or even “spirit”, seemed akin to it. That one was by a professed and blatant and bitter guy who said he was occult and he claimed the same thing about the KJB, claiming Christianity was based in paganism. (He didn’t explain why he, being a pagan/occultist, hated such a “pagan” book). His attacks on the KJB rabidly. He also attacked the “salvationism” doctrine most loudly.

But this one takes a different approach. It shares a lot of definitely proven “conspiracy theories” that are still ridiculed today, like the federal reserve and the tendency by ruling power cliques to use “false flag” attacks, and so on.

So it’s designed to keep social dissidents away from the KJB.

It’s also designed for KJB-believing Christians, to scare them away from using it by claiming all this “secret knowledge” about it.

What a trick. Predicting what spirit-filled Christians and good shepherds have warned their flocks about for years, while still trying to resuscitate another “Gunpowder Plot the Sequel” against the KJB and the king that commissioned it. The Jesuits still plot today against “separated brethren” and have apparently pulled off a coup against the Vatican palace that banned them more than once in history for their political power grabbing. (Vatican had its own reasons)

…I can see Barry et. al. snorting through the nose over “conspiracy theories”.
Most people generally have that reaction, many Christians too, in spite of so much scripture about it (Psalm 2, Ezekiel 8, “fellows of the baser sort”, the conflicting false witnesses of the Pharisees against Christ, Jacob’s sons plotting to circumcise a town’s men so they could wipe them out over a rape of their sister, the conspiracy of Sanballat, the intrigues of Daniel 11.)

…Never mind the hundreds of palace coups and intrigues through all history, the modern list is very long.. MK Ultra, the syphilis tests, Gulf of Tonkin, JFK’s warnings and the silver certificates, CIA-engineered coups, secret kill lists, “The Creature from Jekyll Island”, the lawsuit filed by the MLK family against the execution of James Earl Ray, and so, so many more.

The KJB has the honor of being the ONLY English translation of the Bible that was sued by a sodomite for being anti-sodomite.

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.–2 Timothy 3:13

Let not him that is deceived trust in vanity: for vanity shall be his recompence.-Job 15:31

The Satanists hate the KJB more than any other. His agents infiltrated in the churches are exhorted by modern versions’ wordings exhorting to expel “divisive” congregants like bold KJBO advocates instead of “heretics”.

Jots and tittles, EVERY word of God, else “No light in them”.

>> search the KJV (Impossible: not yet extant when he gave the command)

God added to the scriptures after that pronouncement, including his own words uttered at that time, which were not including among the “consensus” of what scripture was at the time.

>> I’m picking up an EDITION on my desk it is now in my hand, check the EDITION in your hand and see if they “contradict” (match jot and tittle as per English Onlyists):

Jesus said not one jot or tittle would pass away until all be fulfilled. (Matthew 5:18)
Jesus also said man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. (Luke 4:4)

In Isaiah, it says “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” – Isaiah 8:20

….If they speak not according to the word that says “jot and tittle”, then, according to scripture, it is because there is no light in them, so says scripture.

W-V Re: Is The King James Bible Double Inspired?

Sowing Discord: Modern versions, all of them, are divisive ,and have sown discord in the Church of Christ since Westcott and Hort. So that is a lie and a false accusation,. The Church used to be united under one book of the Scriptures; the modern “versions” ended that. Tell us, can we read aloud the Word of God in a congregation today, as one? Or is the Monarch of all books missing?:

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And imagine that, some of the “originals-only” (and now we have an “any version-and not just any one only” guy) advocates, they accuse KJBO defenders as being divisive.

There are a few “infiltrators” who knew what they were doing who just waited until they could claim to have a majority consensus view that the KJB is not good enough anymore. Then they started calling us divisive.

Scofield wasn’t “divisive” exactly. He was sneaky like a snake, using the KJB because Christians then were not so dumbed down yet.

(Judges 17:6) In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

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There’s more in that verse that most understand, I’ve seen. I didn’t understand it fully before. They “did what was right in his own eyes” because they had left off trying to fully follow the word in their hearts.

They were leaving off having the word in their hearts, that’s why they sought a king instead of God, and instead of searching the scripture, and trusting God and asking him for wisdom to seek out godly counsel. So they got a government of men instead of God and his word and now we know how that turned out!

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Bereans: more noble to search the scriptures “to see if these things be so”

Hi,

Respectfully, you’re still ignoring my primary point… which is again… your point of view supported by what greater scholars have gotten out of the scriptures is balanced out by what other greater scholars have said that is different.

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You may have gotten the idea that I ignored the “greater scholars”, but there is a good reason: the “greatest scholars” are going to open up the perspective to how to reason from the scholars for yourself. Sometimes I refer to scholars to clarify historical misunderstandings that are taught at corrupted Establishment seminaries (or as some of us call them, “cemeteries”).

Arguing from scholars is an argument from authority. If you “search the scriptures” like the Bereans, this is “more noble” than just arguing from authority. That’s why Luke wrote that.

You can’t dismiss that as “private interpretation” as if your own is not the same.

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The scripture says that no prophecy is of “private interpretation” for a reason. It means the scripture is not ambiguous. Some things it does not address, but when it says something, it’s one thing. No “relative truth” here, just absolute truth.

You and those you agree with don’t own God’s mind or have a patent on interpreting It in the scriptures.

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That’s why I keep pointing to the Bereans, who “searched the scripture”.

The Bible is not a simple set of elementary math tables memorized in second grade.

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No it’s not, but if it makes a mathematical assertions, you can believe it. “Not one jot or tittle” shall pass until “all be fulfilled”.

I don’t know why you feel the need to deny others their right to interpretation.

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I’m obviously not denying anybody anything. I quoted scripture. Scripture trumps Augustine, Thomas Aquinus, C. S. Lewis, and what it says trumps me. I’ve reported what it says and why. I would only say that if anybody contradicts scripture, they’re wrong.

You can find some detail in parsing out the Bible verses on the subject of the “Rapture” (among other subjects) at my blog at www.truebook.wordpress.com.

Are you Catholic?

I only ask because I haven’t known any Catholics closely and the most negative encounters I’ve had online were recent and with Catholics. — With one condemning me for reading the Bible in the first place —- which was rather stunning and why I bring it up now…. I can’t believe a believer would condemn someone in such strong terms for the idea an individual should read the Word of God…

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I’m sorry if you think this is a “negative encounter”, I have not meant it so, and note that I try my best to avoid any insults or even ad hominem arguments. Arguments from authority from the Bible are good, though. And I am not Catholic.

I believe I referred earlier to the King James Bible. That should be a clue, since that was the Bible the Jesuits planned to prevent with their own Gunpowder Plot. They planned to blow up the Parliament building while King James was speaking there, and they were stopped by one of God’s “coincidences”.

I have referred you and other readers to scriptures to show how they lead me to believe the doctrines that I share with others like the (scriptural) fact that Jesus returns and gathers us together “immediately after” the “tribulation of those days”, that was “spoken of by Daniel the Prophet”. Those three quoted phrases come from Matthew 24, and the sentence is directly and syntactically a logical consequence of what Jesus Christ said, and it is in context.

Note that scripture is understood in steps. Paul spoke of the milk and meat of the word. Isaiah spoke of getting to understand God’s word “line upon line, precept upon precept”.