Archive for July, 2013

Where was the standard for the “Word of God” before 1611?

July 23, 2013

The Word of God did surely exist somewhere as promised, say, in 1610, in one collection, possibly in Hebrew for the O.T. and Greek for the N.T. Possibly in Latin. There was not one known copy with evidence based on preservation. But the truth is I don’t know except for the promises.

That was nothing new in the history of Scripture. There was a time when a king inherited the throne, and ordered the Temple to be restored, and the priests found a copy of scriptures, hidden in the walls of the structures they were restoring. This righteous king called for repentance and to lift the scripture up again across the land.

No one could have pointed you to them, but there they were. In the case of the KJB

Casiodoro de Reina de Proel En el dominio públ...

Casiodoro de Reina de Proel

, God chose a different way to restore a collection of inspired Canon that you could point to. Therefore I agree with the use of the term Restoration Bible used by Stephen to (I presume) refer to the KJB. That’s why I also agree with the terminology of “restore God’s perfect Word” because it had lost its place.

The Word was certainly restored to its proper residence in one recognized Canon, that not only met the test by fire of its use by Spirit-filled people for more than three centuries in its language with no other translation even contemplated.

The fact of the scripture’s restoration to its place of honor with the KJB is seen in the fact that it quickly supplanted what you could call other “competing” translations, even beyond the reach of British or Anglican authority, and even beyond the “spirit-filled”. It was quickly dominant I believe even by the Calvinists of the day, the Puritans, and others.

Another evidence is the way it dominated the English language. Isaac Asimov once wrote that it was Shakespeare who stabilized the English language because the KJB was “just a translation”, which shows he doesn’t know so much about history as he puts on, or that he is “willfully ignorant”. Not for nothing he even says it, because it shows he recognized the Authorized Version/KJB as having dominance in the English language.

I can’t speak for Polish or Chinese, but Spanish certainly shows this as well. I’ve read the Casiodoro de Reina from times more or less contemporary to the KJB, and the Spanish is very, very different from the 1960 Revision, or even the 1905.

Biblical warring… / The natural family

July 10, 2013

Nothing wrong with a Bible warrior mentality, unless you’re thinking in the flesh and don’t understand metaphors. Biblical Christians fight against evil, lies, and the deceit of the devil, including the lies of those who call themselves Christians but violate the commandment to love their neighbors:

Ephesians 6:
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ever since the apostles and disciples spread the Good News, they have been “ministering” to the needs of the world by fighting disease, fighting starvation, fighting infanticide, fighting slavery, fighting genocide, with whatever material means they have on hand to do it, but also with the one gift that changes hearts and makes the other changes possible: salvation in the name of Jesus Christ.

Now, if “military Christianity” means the warmongers among Evangelical Christians in the United States, they deserve the moniker, especially the “leaders”. The worst among them doing disservice to the Gospel are the ones demanding that Christians should do something to stop Muslims, saying they’re out to convert or kill us all. Whether they are or not is irrelevant to what Christians should do.

Brother Andrew of “Open Doors Ministries” warned Christians against going to war in the MIddle East, because, he predicted at the time, it would be disastrous for the Christians who actually live there,

and it would badly hurt the testimony of love of those Christians who are in the best position to actually win them to the religion that preaches “God is love”. Even Mosab Hassan Yousef, “Son of Hamas“, was won after the repulsion of the treatment of Muslims with Muslims in prison and was won over by the love of Christ in the Word itself: “Love thine enemies“. Islam has nothing like this.

(2) The picture of the girl is fine. There is too much not-privacy on the Internet. Once your visage is out there, it’s no take-backs. Another pic is okay, but apparently the objection shows that she’s not doing it to hide herself. The prayerful position of the girl in the picture represents her. We can all learn a lesson about caution. We don’t have to make it easy for the NSA for when they start rounding up the “dangerous” Christians.

P.S. My Mom raised us four kids, God bless her, as a single Mom. Faults and all, I loved her and appreciate it. Some do this better than others, but good can come of it. The natural, nuclear family is the ideal and the standard by which all of them are best measured, and should emulate, as much as possible providing the upbringing a father and a mother would provide.

I gratefully remember my visits with my Dad, a very fine example of a Dad. But I also remember fondly one Marvin, a “father figure” who I guess was part of the “Big Brothers” program. He took me out to ball games, bowling, gospel concerts, did “Daddy stuff” with me, an adult male figure. Rest in peace.

Believing God’s promises and the KJB is not idolatry. (Maybe “only-original-language” is, eh?)

July 9, 2013

I’m sharing my answer from another forum to this accusation:

You have made your KJB the most important article of faith. Again, I see this as very nearly bibliolatry. Very nice of you to affirm my observation.

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KJB believers’ foundation is the belief in the promises of God‘s word. That is what brings them to the KJBO position. This is something that has been repeated to modern version apologists over and over again, and they never seem to get past this lie that KJB believers woke up one day and just decided to reject all the other versions and worship that (whatever “that” is) instead of God. The truth is the opposite.

But try the phrase “original-language-idolatry”. A fantasy, a vain imagination, a theoretical construct. A belief that God did NOT provide for the preservation of every jot and tittle of his word in a manner consistent with clarity and that does not allow for confusion. Belief in his promises about his Word is better than trusting scribes and Pharisees. Call the KJB translators scribes if you want, just like your corrupted versions –any divergence from God’s best is corruption– but we do NOT trust in them.

You have NO BIBLICAL REASON AT ALL, just a tradition of man, to say that God did NOT preserve every jot and tittle of meaning “till all be fulfilled”. At least it’s not a wood and chaff idol. Oh wait! Nestle-Aland? Westcott Hort? Which “original language text” is YOUR idol?

In Honduras (even here) sometimes you buy honey that’s been cut with molasses. My wife can tell the difference. How can you, if you don’t know what honey really is?

God told us his words were sweeter than honey.

The God of the Bible said –and says– he would preserve his Word, not one jot or tittle would fall to the ground till all be fulfilled, and he is not the author of confusion. How can he teach “line upon line” if one line is over here (with a footnote) and the next one is over there?

Not even the most brilliant professors of theology can be sure of what something really says, according to their own doctrine!

And make no mistake. KJBO advocates do NOT NOT NOT rest their case upon an isolated faith in this particular text. It is the doctrine that believes God’s own word about preserving his Word, his own promise to preserve every jot and tittle, every bit of meaning, and he is not the “author” of confusion.

I you can’t have full conviction in a piece of God’s word, then it’s true that James 1:8 could apply, because if the foundation be shaken, who shall stand?

March 27, 1977, The biggest aviation disaster in history –to this day– took place in Tenerife, on the ground. Two aircraft slammed into each other. Some of you remember it. The fog killed visibility. 538 people died and there were more who were wounded.

I remember the reports from back then that mentioned a man who “miraculously” was completely unhurt. They didn’t mention him very much after the first couple of days and I found out why when I heard that man’s testimony.

Once upon a time I found an audio of his testimony. He took the trip instead of his business partner who had a late-minute matter come up. When the two planes hit, he said the passengers saw fire coming from the front of the plane, and people started screaming who saw the flames moving toward them.

He of course had his Bible with him. He stood straight up, all 300 pounds or so, and started waving his Bible in the air. “I’m standing on the Word! I’m standing on the Word! I’m standing on the Word!”

That’s his last memory from inside the plane, and he “blacked out”. He said he doesn’t know how, but the next thing he knew he was sitting on the top of this aircraft, to the side of a really big hole in the top of the plane –big enough for him to fit through– that was somehow directly above where his seat was.

They helped him down from there, but it is a testimony to someone who had faith in what God had promised, when it mattered. I cannot say I have “that much” faith in God’s promises, God’s word, but at least I do have faith that I can know exactly what he said, in terms that can be understood today. As he promised.

 

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

 

New comment on “Edward Snowden: devil or angel?”

July 8, 2013

If we were to reduce our military and pull back within our shell, this would be seen by the Islamic radicals as a sign of weakness. Showing weakness to such people is to invite more violent attack. One only has to listen to the psychotic rantings of Mohamed Ahmadinejad where he calls us the Great Satan and Israel the Little Satan.


The USA before WW1 and WW2 was still following Jefferson’s advice, to do commerce with all nations, entanglements with none. And before WW1 and WW2, the USA was considered the strong and respected bastion of goodness and capitalism. Nobody was attacking us.

When I was a Communist I read “10 Days That Shook the World” by John Reed, and he viewed America as the great center of capitalism. That’s when it was. (Not anymore).

IS THE UNITED STATES A GREAT SATAN?

Are you prepared to say that the United States of today is at all a godly or a good nation? American culture has gone to gore and sodomy.

America has gone from being the number one supporter of missionaries carrying the Gospel around the world to being the purveyor of all manner of filth and perversion, prenatal infanticide, blasphemous movies, big liars and false prophets, crony capitalism, the biggest theft of property in the history of the world from the poor and middle class with the income tax and lying false balance fiat currency. It has become the “habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit”.

Our government has engaged in unconstitutional undeclared wars on executive whim in 12 nations around the world (Korea, Guatemala, Dominican, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan, Serbia, Libya). These have not been wars to protect our “freedoms”, as we can see with the federal government war against the tea party and patriot and libertarian groups, its propaganda war against conservative principles and individual freedoms, pushing doctrines of devils even in the churches, and much more. Instead of a witness for

David said that the wicked are “God’s sword”. America is just like the Israel of the book of Jeremiah.

Of course we know that in the Revelation of Jesus Christ as given to John ends well, but the truth today is the truth.

When the older Bush invaded Iraq in the first Gulf War, and the press asked the inoffensive Billy Graham whether God was on our side, even he said “I just hope we are on God’s side”. He had mellowed a lot, you could call it, because when he was a young firebrand preacher, he once thundered “If God doesn’t judge America, he’ll have to raise up Sodom and Gomorrah and apologize to them!” And that was before hedonism got special privileges, and babies in the womb became a killing field.

Christians carrying this judgment message in the 1960s were beaten out of churches, called “cults”, shunned by their “brethren”, but now even David Wilkerson is preaching it. Sheep and woves are getting separated now as we speak….

Palestine, Israel, Darby, Scofield, Dispensationalism, Jews and Salvation

July 4, 2013
Deir Yassin after occupation by Jewish forces,...

Deir Yassin after occupation by Jewish forces, April 1948 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Palestine has been there for 2,000 years.

The Zionist guerrillas the Haganah and the Irgun and the Stern Gang “declared independence” in 1948 and battled the British, who quickly gave it up. The Irgun terrorized the Arabs with a strategically precision massacre in one or two small villages like at Deir Yassin where they did not leave even one woman or baby alive. Deir Yassin was strategically located for military and logistics reasons, and it did not matter to the Irgun, led by Begin, that the Arabs of Deir Yassin had declared their neutrality in the war between the Zionists and the Arab countries without, and had been a village that had been one of the friendliest to the Jews in what was ON THE MAPS at the time denoted as “Palestine”.

The Jews had wandered for about 1,900 years without a state, but now it’s the Palestinians –those are the Muslim and CHRISTIAN Arabs that have ancestral roots to Palestine. Many of them are Arabs that had properties and homes from generations before that they had to abandon in some cases, forced out, and in other cases fled in panic when they saw the massacres and saw that the Irgun terrorists were winning the battles. Western money and weapons flooded in for the Zionists, who had the advantage of advanced military training from the Western countries.

It’s also a religious state where Christians, especially Arab Christians, are treated as de facto second-class citizens. Jewish immigrants are immediately granted full citizenship status, defined as either offspring of a Jewish mother or certified as a bona fide religious Jew by some recognized rabbi. When Jewish immigrants become Christians, they have had to battle the state to retain their citizenship as Jews. “Messianic Jews”, meaning Jews who are self-identified Christians and recognize Jesus as the Messiah but follow the Torah and the Jewish customs, are despised culturally,

Jews for Jesus are especially scorned by the rabbis and politicians because (1) they enthusiastically witness to their Jewish neighbors about Jesus, and (2) they openly recognize that there is no special place for “Jewishness” in God’s eyes.

That’s one reason there is this “ecumenical” movement getting such strong support in the States. James Hagee has probably gotten millions in paybacks for his sycophantic preaching for the divine right of Jews to refuse Jesus. They want to tell Christians to witness to everybody else just not them.

The Jewish special-ness got started in the 19th century with John Darby in England and Cyrus Scofield in the States. Darby is sometimes called the “father of dispensationalism”. Darby hated the Bible so he rewrote it, with a text more bendable to promote dispensationalism. Divine right of Jewish ancestry.

Cyrus Scofield was a serial con man and womanizer with a series of divorces in his wake when it was culturally repugnant, but the most repugnant thing was he absconded with these rich women’s wealth, and refused to send child support for his own biological progeny. Finally he ended up in prison for embezzling in a bank of his employ.

Some group we know little about at the time supposedly “converted” him in prison, and set him up with Darby. Cyrus Scofield knew that Americans were still not so foolish as to deceived by a new “translation”, so he just rewrote the Bible by created copious notes in the margin that redefined the text to something else and created a labyrinth of verse cross-references that twisted the word to destructive deceit.

That’s how dispensationalism (and an incidental divine right-type destiny for Jews) got rewritten into the Bible. He divided up the Bible and said this part’s not for you, it was for the patriarchs. This other part is for you, but not for the Jews. This other part is for the Jews. Blah blah blah. Screwed up the timing of the “Second Coming” and everything.

So after Scofield, we got a series of commentators coming after that wrote basically the same things into the Bible and they started teaching it in seminaries (many of them “cemeteries”, where youth go to bury their faith).

And now, a “Fellowship of Christians and Jews”, where instead of obeying Mark 16:15 as in “first to the Jew”, they are learning how to be modern-day Jews!

“He that hath the Son hath life; he that hath not the Son hath not life; but the wrath of God abideth upon him”.–John 3:36.

To the Jews even the Old Testament prophets asked “Why will ye die?” and it is full of condemnations of the Jews for their sins. The state of Israel and the Muslim-dominated states nearby are cooperating on one thing at least: pretending that Palestinian Christians do not exist. They are un-persons in international Old Media.

But they do exist. God is ultimately in charge. His wheels of justice are slow but sure. David clearly recognized in one prayer that the wicked are “God’s sword”, meaning God uses them for judgment sometimes.

The hope for this world is in the Son of God, the Prince of Peace. Changing people one heart at a time. That’s why preaching at Muslims and this suicidal policy pushed by George Soros money of “duty to intervene” is not going to work for peace.

What’s going to work is the Brother Andrew approach: supporting the persecuted Christians already inside these countries. I have no doubt that the body of Christians in China has something to do with the thawing of tyranny there. Helping Hands Korea supports North Korean refugees in South Korea and in China, and I am sure he’s helping North Koreans inside their country (and not just Christians). I know this because I know the founder, worked with him in Phoenix for awhile. http://www.helpinghandskorea.org

That’s how the Roman Empire changed, how slavery ended in Europe after them, education spread.. One heart at a time…

Martin Luther and John Calvin: “Killers”?

July 2, 2013
Disputatio pro declaratione virtutis indulgent...

Disputatio pro declaratione virtutis indulgentiarum, 95 theses (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

This is in reply to this statement found on another web site I follow:  http://jamesjpn.net/

Luther, Calvin et al the supposed stalwarts of Protestant Christianity, are wolves in my opinion and the complete opposite of the apostle Paul. They were responsible for killing people AFTER their supposed conversion and break from Catholicism. They may not be Jesuit agents but they have walked right into the Devil’s schemes.

Calvin is known to have given his enthusiastic support for an execution for heresy in Geneva, in one case I know of. That’s just one. Calvinists are very adept at defending him and I won’t address that right now. The case of Martin Luther is not so simple.

If he supported the brutal suppression as reported, this would be another flaw. Some of the peasant actions were those of going into the churches that were built with their own contributions, in the clerical “theft by fraud” scheme of the penitence payments. They began destroying those evil idols that filled those buildings.

In my opinion, Martin Luther is partially or completely exonerated by Matthew 7:20, By their fruits ye shall know them. His was the pivotal moment, at great risk to himself, to expose the clerical autocracy. His opposition to the peasants uprising, by the way,  was based on a strange and unworkable hybrid of libertarianism and authoritarianism.

Libertarianism because he opposed the stealing and looting that the peasants were apparently saying was their right, and that only voluntary sharing of goods as in Acts 2 and Acts 4 was encouraged. Share your own voluntarily, but not someone else’s by force.

Authoritarianism because he invoked a misinterpretation of Romans 13 that is common to many. People forget to consider, even Martin Luther, that not all governments are “of God“, and not all government agents are “ministers of God”. If they are not “God’s ministers” (Rom 13:6), or “ministers of good”, they don’t qualify.

Also, the takeaway from Matthew 17 is that Jesus did not have much regard for any government taxation scheme. The children of tax collectors (the ones who tell you how much you have to pay in “tribute”) “are free”, he said, meaning that taxation is a form of “not free”, or “involuntary servitude”. Because the taxation deciders make sure of their own advantage in these schemes.

It usually holds though; David referred to “the wicked” as God’s sword, meaning God uses them to implement his judgements upon the people that are known by his name.