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End Times, Second Coming, and the Truth

April 28, 2017

DID THE APOSTLES THINK THEY WERE IN THE END TIMES?

The “rapture” is not a sudden unexpected one for those who are in light:
1 Thessalonians (13) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that day should overtake you as a thief. (14) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

DID THE APOSTLES BELIEVE THE “SECOND COMING” COULD BE ANY MINUTE NOW?

Paul said –obviously for believers in HIS day– that the end times and Second Coming was NOT immanent, but that the Beast (aka Antichrist) would be revealed FIRST:
2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

DID EVERY GENERATION AFTER CHRIST BELIEVE THEY WERE IN THE END TIMES?

It is a Satanic lie that “every generation” thought they were in the end times. Isaac Newton said he thought it wouldn’t be until the 24th century or later. Also, if you check Bible commentaries and writings of most Christian theologians in the 19th century and even leading up to World War II, you’ll find that Christians were saying the end times could not happen until after Israel would be first restored as a nation-state.

DOES THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE IN 70 AD AS PROPHESIED IN MATTHEW 24:2 MEAN THE ANTICHRIST IS RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM?

Only a lawyer would wait till he’s out of ear shot to laugh at that one, and only a liar or a deceiver of one’s self could believe it.
The destruction of the temple in 70 AD is God’s affidavit that the end times prophecies in Matthew 24 were of God, the predictions that follow that one. It’s a watermark.

Most of the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah and the End Times, you’ll observe, are in the Bible because certain prophecies they uttered came to pass while they were still alive.

Like Moses and the plagues confirm his prediction of the taking of the evil lands of Canaanites and the prophecy about a later “Great Prophet”.
Jeremiah’s ending chapters are confirmed in the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem.

And so on. When the temple was destroyed in the exact manner Jesus said, the rest of the chapter is to be taken equally “literally”, or in a straightforward reading. Meaning, ye would “hear of” earthquakes, famines, pestilences, but hold on, that does NOT mean it’s the end times, rather, the end “is NOT yet” [my emphasis].

But it is always the time to repent, to ask the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your heart, cleanse you from all righteousness, and accept his gift of eternal life, paid for on the cross and signed by the Creator of life, death and the universe with the Resurrection.

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Immediately after the Tribulation

September 4, 2013

Read the details in the Word itself, get away from what men say. Whatever you want to call the end-time events, the “gathering together” –what we usually call the Rapture– occurs, as Jesus said in Matthew 24, “immediately after the Tribulation“.  That’s after the plagues of the trumpets of Tribulation occur.

While we are with Jesus, the vials of the period we call “The Wrath” are poured upon the Earth and the plagues of the vials of the wrath of God are poured out on the ones left on the surface of the Earth.

At the end of “The Wrath”, that’s when Jesus descends from Heaven with a shout and the saints with him, and defeats the armies of the Antichrist at Armageddon.

Some point to the virgins and try to say the parable of the 10 virgins is about who gets raptured at any time and who gets “left behind”.  I do agree like Daniel predicts, most Christians will be killed in the flesh and liberated from their earthly bodies during the Tribulation. After all, in Daniel it says the Antichrist “shall make war against the saints, and shall overcome them”.

Some have said that Post-Tribulation Rapture belief causes people to be asleep and not ready. Quite the opposite as you can see below. “Those who are asleep in the church” are the ones who think they will not have to face the hardship of the Tribulation,. Then they use escape from the Tribulation to sell Salvation too. My missionary work was part of the the most alert and awake movements that grew amont the Jesus People movements of the 1960s and 1970s. I myself have led dozens and maybe hundreds to the Lord in three Latin American countries and in the States.

“Be ye also ready”.

In fact, when Jesus said, “for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh”, he very well could have been talking about the any-minute pre-Trib Rapure, because just before that he said:

Too many Christian “scholars” have said Pre, so many have believed it:

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So be ye ready like the “goodman of the house”, as in “had known what watch the thief would come”, that’s when “he would have watched”. But so many Christians will have their house broken up by either (1) the surprise that ALL the saints were “left behind”, or (2) an even greater “falling away” from disillusionment by the ones who believed a false prophecy, or by the ones who thought they were saved and now think they are not.

 

The Rapture is a DIFFERENT EVENT from the SECOND COMING!


No kidding, if you mean the “gathering together” is different from the descent at Armageddon.

  In the Rapture no one but the Saved will know about it, like a thief in the night.


They’ll know about it (the Rapture) alright, at the end of the Tribulation, like Jesus said, just before the “parable of the fig tree”:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The “parable of the fig tree” represents the re-establishment of the geopolitical and quasi-heriditary nation of Israel, which would come before any of it but would lead into the generation that would see the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds.  This is probably before the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. “They that understand among the people shall instruct many”.

The Antichrists with the antichrists might very well tell the world that this is an alien invasion or something in fact.

  The Second Coming we will come with Jesus to set up his kingdom, and everyone on earth will see us coming and know their doom is upon them.  Jesus and his army will destroy all the works of the Devil at that time.  False teachers are in all the churches, just as all men have sinned.  You must study to see if these things are so as the Bereans did, you must not listen to false teachers.  Look it up yourself, do not read any preconceived things into it, do not believe any authority except the Bible itself.


I have studied this “like the Bereans”. We’ve been led to false doctrine (I was beforetimes myself once) by the Scofields and the Darbys and the Westcotts and the Horts. It might even be a doctrine of devils to get Christians to sleep through much of the Antichrist rule, just like they are right now with a lower-case “antichrist” in the White House… Huckabee would talk nice to him and lift him up if the big bad “O” ever went on his show. The guy could chip half the Christians in the country in their right hand and they might even think it’s okay because they can’t believe it’s Trib time.

Palestine, Israel, Darby, Scofield, Dispensationalism, Jews and Salvation

July 4, 2013
Deir Yassin after occupation by Jewish forces,...

Deir Yassin after occupation by Jewish forces, April 1948 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Palestine has been there for 2,000 years.

The Zionist guerrillas the Haganah and the Irgun and the Stern Gang “declared independence” in 1948 and battled the British, who quickly gave it up. The Irgun terrorized the Arabs with a strategically precision massacre in one or two small villages like at Deir Yassin where they did not leave even one woman or baby alive. Deir Yassin was strategically located for military and logistics reasons, and it did not matter to the Irgun, led by Begin, that the Arabs of Deir Yassin had declared their neutrality in the war between the Zionists and the Arab countries without, and had been a village that had been one of the friendliest to the Jews in what was ON THE MAPS at the time denoted as “Palestine”.

The Jews had wandered for about 1,900 years without a state, but now it’s the Palestinians –those are the Muslim and CHRISTIAN Arabs that have ancestral roots to Palestine. Many of them are Arabs that had properties and homes from generations before that they had to abandon in some cases, forced out, and in other cases fled in panic when they saw the massacres and saw that the Irgun terrorists were winning the battles. Western money and weapons flooded in for the Zionists, who had the advantage of advanced military training from the Western countries.

It’s also a religious state where Christians, especially Arab Christians, are treated as de facto second-class citizens. Jewish immigrants are immediately granted full citizenship status, defined as either offspring of a Jewish mother or certified as a bona fide religious Jew by some recognized rabbi. When Jewish immigrants become Christians, they have had to battle the state to retain their citizenship as Jews. “Messianic Jews”, meaning Jews who are self-identified Christians and recognize Jesus as the Messiah but follow the Torah and the Jewish customs, are despised culturally,

Jews for Jesus are especially scorned by the rabbis and politicians because (1) they enthusiastically witness to their Jewish neighbors about Jesus, and (2) they openly recognize that there is no special place for “Jewishness” in God’s eyes.

That’s one reason there is this “ecumenical” movement getting such strong support in the States. James Hagee has probably gotten millions in paybacks for his sycophantic preaching for the divine right of Jews to refuse Jesus. They want to tell Christians to witness to everybody else just not them.

The Jewish special-ness got started in the 19th century with John Darby in England and Cyrus Scofield in the States. Darby is sometimes called the “father of dispensationalism”. Darby hated the Bible so he rewrote it, with a text more bendable to promote dispensationalism. Divine right of Jewish ancestry.

Cyrus Scofield was a serial con man and womanizer with a series of divorces in his wake when it was culturally repugnant, but the most repugnant thing was he absconded with these rich women’s wealth, and refused to send child support for his own biological progeny. Finally he ended up in prison for embezzling in a bank of his employ.

Some group we know little about at the time supposedly “converted” him in prison, and set him up with Darby. Cyrus Scofield knew that Americans were still not so foolish as to deceived by a new “translation”, so he just rewrote the Bible by created copious notes in the margin that redefined the text to something else and created a labyrinth of verse cross-references that twisted the word to destructive deceit.

That’s how dispensationalism (and an incidental divine right-type destiny for Jews) got rewritten into the Bible. He divided up the Bible and said this part’s not for you, it was for the patriarchs. This other part is for you, but not for the Jews. This other part is for the Jews. Blah blah blah. Screwed up the timing of the “Second Coming” and everything.

So after Scofield, we got a series of commentators coming after that wrote basically the same things into the Bible and they started teaching it in seminaries (many of them “cemeteries”, where youth go to bury their faith).

And now, a “Fellowship of Christians and Jews”, where instead of obeying Mark 16:15 as in “first to the Jew”, they are learning how to be modern-day Jews!

“He that hath the Son hath life; he that hath not the Son hath not life; but the wrath of God abideth upon him”.–John 3:36.

To the Jews even the Old Testament prophets asked “Why will ye die?” and it is full of condemnations of the Jews for their sins. The state of Israel and the Muslim-dominated states nearby are cooperating on one thing at least: pretending that Palestinian Christians do not exist. They are un-persons in international Old Media.

But they do exist. God is ultimately in charge. His wheels of justice are slow but sure. David clearly recognized in one prayer that the wicked are “God’s sword”, meaning God uses them for judgment sometimes.

The hope for this world is in the Son of God, the Prince of Peace. Changing people one heart at a time. That’s why preaching at Muslims and this suicidal policy pushed by George Soros money of “duty to intervene” is not going to work for peace.

What’s going to work is the Brother Andrew approach: supporting the persecuted Christians already inside these countries. I have no doubt that the body of Christians in China has something to do with the thawing of tyranny there. Helping Hands Korea supports North Korean refugees in South Korea and in China, and I am sure he’s helping North Koreans inside their country (and not just Christians). I know this because I know the founder, worked with him in Phoenix for awhile. http://www.helpinghandskorea.org

That’s how the Roman Empire changed, how slavery ended in Europe after them, education spread.. One heart at a time…

“They that understand among the people shall instruct many”

April 20, 2013
Entrance to Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensaco...

Entrance to Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola, Florida. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

If the 144,000 were not saved before the Tribulation, then there are pitifully and poorly prepared to be these: “They that understand among the people shall instruct many”.

God is not a “respector of persons”, so says his word, and the kingdom of God was taken from the “Jew according to the flesh” when Jesus said the kingdom was “taken from you and given to a nation bringing for the fruit thereof”.

The spirit quickeneth, the flesh profiteth NOTHING, “Say not ye we have Abraham to our father”, “Who is a Jew” asked Paul and then explained VERY CLEARLY who would inherit the promises made to Abraham. And that the promises to Abraham that “in thy seed” shall all the Earth was blessed came to fruition with the birth, life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The genealogies list the lineage from Adam to Jesus Christ, so as to show that Jesus was fully human and descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and David, and of the tribe of Judah, literally. The records that they kept during those days provided another proof that Jesus was and is the Messiah. Now, with the records and the record-keeping dissolved into the ether together with the now diluted biological line, the “Jews according to the flesh” are not much more homogenous as such biologically than many nations on the planet, and they are surely no more Jewish than Ruth or Rahab or Uriah the Hittite.

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

In today’s world, there’s no way you can sort out which Jew-according-to-the-flesh (supposedly) is which tribe, and in fact, they have mixed Arab blood, Ethiopian, Persian, Turkish, and especially European. Even Biblically, Rahab and Ruth share in the Abrahamic line to Messiah, and there are plenty of tribes from the region that intermarried with the Jews in those days. Maybe half of David’s Mighty Men! Jesus made this point too!

So there is another purpose in the numbering of “them which were sealed” as 144,000. I do believe they are probably leaders especially anointed for leading the sheep during the Tribulation. But it would not be “God’s nature” to let babes lead babes with no spiritual guidance. The Word says so:

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Lots of people who had before believed the Rapture was before the Tribulation will eventually come to reconsider, because they don’t always just blindly follow Establishment Christianity.

Kent Hovind and many others have studied the issue and changed in position . So did the ones that made this video to explain themselves:

Hal Lindsey‘s first book, The Late Great Planet Earth, was one of the first on Bible prophecy I read as I was led to faith in Christ and God prepared me to serve him in for street witnessing and missionary work. He introduced the book explaining that he approached the subject from scratch, meaning threw out everything he’d heard and started studying straight from scripture.

He had scriptures that drew an obvious straightforward parallel to events and times, as I remember it. Verses for all of it. I don’t remember enough detail to compare to what I know now after doing the same thing as a Berean. But he candidly admitted in his chapter about the Rapture that he had NOT found ANY clear scripture to support the event as coming before the Tribulation, but he believed it anyway. As many theology doctorates at the time, he used the prop that it was not in “God’s nature” to make us go through the Tribulation. The “evidence” is some of the incidents where God’s leading or prophecy saved his saints.

It’s a stretch to make that leap of logic. But even then he did not realize the disconnect between (1) the plagues of the trumpets and (2) the plagues of the vials of the Wrath of God that come with (after) the last trump that shall sound. The last vial of the wrath of God is when we return back down with Jesus (“saints with him”) and he descends “with a shout”.

More Post-Tribulation truth

April 16, 2013
English: photograph of Cyrus Ingerson Scofield...

English: photograph of Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (Scoundrel and deceiver of the gullible)

Hal Lindsey is trying to say that Sodom and Godmorrah were types of the coming Tribulation, because God took Lot and his family out before judgment.

“Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.”

But God does that, because although Jesus said we’d have tribulation, we do not get the worst of the plagues at the end of the three and a half year period of Tribulation.

The Hebrews were still in Egypt when the ten plagues hit, and then they were taken out. The prophets were still in Israel when it fell to Babylon. The priests (and the faithful) were still in Jerusalem when they believed the prophets enough to welcome Alexander and the troops to Jerusalem. He was so satiated by the prophecies he let them keep all their arms and legs and money. The Jewish Christian faithful –some of them– were still in Jerusalem when Rome came and scattered them all to everywhere else.

Sodom and Gomorrah, God had promised Abraham. Lot had a “righteous soul”. Their judgment and fire and brimstone was total, universal, not one soul left alive.

Some judgments, we get warnings. There will be refuges for some Christians even during the Tribulation. Not just the jungle.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

But here’s where we agree. For sure, the Lord WILL take us up BEFORE the worst of plagues. That’s what we call the Wrath of God.

First, the Tribulation. At the end of that, at the last trumpet, “Rapture”. Then the vials of the wrath of God are poured out upon the earth, the absolute worst of the plagues. With the last of those vials, that’s Jesus Christ and his saints with him on white horses visiting Armageddon on the Beast and his minions.

And even so, some will live through even the Wrath into the “Millenium”, the thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ.

All the verses are in context:

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

But when one of them declares something plainly, it’s best to go with that one:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The only way to dismiss Matthew 24 is to cut it out of the Bible if you’re a Gentile, like the 19th entry widows’ swindler and convicted embezzler Cyrus Scofield in America, and his contemporary, the hustler of spiritual intellectuals in the old staid kingdom of the British Empire, John Darby. John Darby hated the Bible so much he wrote his own Bible and called it a “translation”.

The two of them popularized the newly invented pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine on the two sides of the Atlantic.

The memo apparently didn’t make it to South Africa. An evangelist came to Miami once in the 1980s, and he said he never heard of such a thing as a pre-Tribulation Rapture until he came to the States. I’m sure the Americans have spread it more since then though, and history has been revised.

The one (two?) early-church quotes I’ve seen, rare as ken’s teeth, are ambiguous at best. And they don’t hold a candle to Paul’s own admonitions in the epistles that the day of of the Lord isn’t coming until the Son of Perdition is revealed first. Their talk would not have been about the Judgment, they’re looking for the Lord’s coming back.

There will be some places that serve as refuge during the Tribulation. He will set up in Israel, but even some players in the neighborhood

Daniel 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

Revelation 13 says all nations, tribes and languages, so that means it’s a UN-NWO thing, or its twin. But from Daniel 11 we see he has his hands full with international intrigues, conspiracies, and nations that don’t want to buckle.

They are probably planning on neutralizing the United States with a civil war and, according to more prophecies, on “restoring order” with help from other nations. The USA gets a dose of its own interventionist medicine, you might say, the most recent generations (of Christians, too) being led to war.

They will probably bring America down a few notches, they can sure create havoc with their fiat currency whip and their agents. But Americans are a rebellious bunch and will not fade away quietly.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The Ten Virgins Parable is NOT about the Rapture

April 4, 2013

Read the details carefully. Whatever you want to call these events, the “gathering together” –what we usually call the Rapture– occurs, as Jesus said in Matthew 24, “immediately after the Tribulation“. That’s after the plagues of the trumpets of Tribulation occur.

While we are with Jesus, then, the vials of the period we call “The Wrath” are poured upon the Earth and the plagues of the vials of the wrath of God are poured out on the ones left on the surface of the Earth.

At the end of “The Wrath”, that’s when Jesus descends from Heaven with a shout and the saints with him, and defeats the armies of the Antichrist at Armageddon.

The parable of the ten virgins and the oil and the bridegroom cannot point to a pre-Trib rapture. That would contradict the multitude of scriptures that state in plain English, clear language, that it is after the Tribulation.

“Those who are asleep in the church” are the ones who think they will not have to face the hardship of the Tribulation, and then they’re using escape from the Tribulation to sell Salvation too. Our missionary work was one of the most awake movements that grew from the Jesus People movements of the 1960s and 1970s, I myself having led dozens and maybe hundreds to the Lord in three Latin American countries and in the States. “Be ye also ready”.

In fact, when Jesus said, “for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh”, he very well could have been talking about the any-minute pre-Trib Rapure, because just before that he said:

Too many Christian “scholars” have said Pre, so many have believed it:

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So be ye ready like the “goodman of the house”, as in “had known what watch the thief would come”, that’s when “he would have watched”. But so many Christians will have their house broken up by either (1) the surprise that ALL the saints were “left behind”, or (2) an even greater “falling away” from disillusionment by the ones who believed a false prophecy, or by the ones who thought they were saved and now think they are not.

The Rapture is a different event from the “Second Coming” if you mean the (1) “gathering together” of Matthew 24 “immediately after the Tribulation of those days” is different from (2) the descent with a shout and with the saints at Armageddon.

The unsaved will know about the Rapture, like Jesus said:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The “parable of the fig tree” that follows the above passage represents the re-establishment of the geopolitical and quasi-Jewish-by-the-flesh nation of Israel, which would presage the events of the end times, and would lead into the generation that would see the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds. This is probably before the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. “They that understand among the people shall instruct many”.

The Antichrist with the antichrists might very well tell the world that this is an alien invasion or something in fact. After all, the Illuminati are already calling themselves with a new nickname: “Interplanetary guardians”.

I have studied this “like the Bereans”. Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a brand-spankin’ new doctrine as of the early 19th century. Kind of suspiciously coincides with the rise of the those “interplanetary guardians” as a new geo-political force, you might say.

We’ve been led to false doctrine (I was beforetimes myself once) by the Scofields and the Darbys and the Westcotts and the Horts. It might even be a doctrine of devils to get Christians to sleep through much of the Antichrist rule, just like they are right now with a lower-case “antichrist” in the White House… Huckabee would talk nice to him and lift him up if the big bad “O” ever went on his show. The guy could chip half the Christians in the country in their right hand and they might even think it’s okay because they can’t believe it’s Trib time.

Some Catholic scientists agree with the NIV: Lucifer is not Satan, Lucifer is the “morning Star”

January 21, 2013

“Scientists tap the power of ‘Lucifer‘:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/what-the-devil-scientists-tap-power-of-lucifer/

So it’s out now. Some Catholic Jesuit priests, astronomers, who run the Vatican observatory, have a telescope they call “Lucifer”.

In a twist of irony, LUCIFER’s neighbors are Catholic Jesuits at the Vatican’s observatory on Mount Graham. The neighboring Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope, or VATT, is manned by Jesuit astronomers.

The Vatican observatory’s website even features a video titled, “NASA and the Vatican’s infrared telescope called Lucifer.”

Why the King James Bible is the standard

January 6, 2013
May - King James Version of the Bible.

May – King James Version of the Bible. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

In the 20th and 21st century we cannot find another such group as the group of scholars that translated the King James Bible, in an environment that encouraged, even compelled, a devout respect for the word of God, that rivaled Moses’ awe at the burning bush.

Without even getting into the arguments over what Greek text to use. I mean you got Westcott and Hort and other such ilk that negotiated over land and sea to “rescue” an abomination in a trash basket that became a fake Greek “Bible” (haha wink wink) and got another one from the deep dark dungeons of the Vatican library.

That’s one BIG reason God would not expect us to trust a Greek standard.

===> WOULD GOD USE TRANSLATION? WOULD HE PROMISE THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE OF THE KJB? (WHY NOT CHINESE, SPOKEN [Editor’s note:
natively] BY MORE PEOPLE THAN ENGLISH?)

FIRST, God works providentially through his “created means”?. He also gets to pick the standard and intervene at his own whim. It’s not very “providential” if you get a babble of confusion.

There are at least a DOZEN translations in the Bible and clearly exposed as such. A short list of only a few (there are plenty more):

#1. Joseph’s conversations with the Pharoah,

#2 the record of conversations between the patriarchs’ families and their neighbors in Canaan,

#3 Lot in Sodom,

#4 Nehemiah and his king and later his detractors,

#5 Daniel’s pronouncements to the Babylonians and the Persians,

#6 the sign Pilate placed on the cross pronouncing Christ the “king of the Jews” in THREE different languages translated as such in the Gospels,

#7 and “providentially” speaking ALL KINDS of things in a lot of different languages while they were in the Upper Room.
If God caused the writing of the New Testament to appear in Greek as a standard, early enough A.D. at least, why would he do that? Providentially speaking, it makes ALL KINDS of sense that he would engineer a standard Greek-language collection for all the OBVIOUS reasons that He also would OBVIOUSLY want the world of the 20th and 21st century to have one standard Word of God and not want it to be Koine Greek.

After all, if there is any “providence” involved in today’s Bible, it surely does not look like it with a hundred different “versions” of the Bible. Call the variations, variants, perversions, those would be better words.

Which Bible to use? The cafeteria version (pick one you like)?

And what group of scholars in the 20th or 21st centuries can lay claim to the extent of respect for the word of God like the scholars of the KJB, in the supportive culture of the time, and with the support they needed?

Who can say that our generation of this wicked world of today is even capable of doing better than the generation of the culture and society that cultivated such giants of both science and Biblical research as Isaac Newton?

How can you know what phenomenologically occurred? And you can’t find even one verse to back the claim that God would never want us to have a specific text as a “perfect representation of God’s pure word”? Or that if he could he would refuse to do so?

Because my Bible talks about “EVERY word” (caps mine):

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every [word] that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.- Deu 8:3

Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.-Proverbs 30:5

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.-Luke 4:4

God is not the author of confusion – I Corinthians 14

Wherefore let him that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue pray that he may interpret.-1 Cor 14:13

This next one is a doozy for a Bible-confusion cure:

If

any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret. – 1Corinthians 14:27

Pop quiz: Let HOW MANY interpret? How many again?

One interpretation. One. The mark is “in” the right hand or it is “on”. Do you pick one, or find out which one God has picked for you?

The question is also what would God do? Would he have five different versions?

You challenge us to give you verses where God promises that the English of the KJB is the perfect translation, when there are more speakers of Chinese (as a first language) than any other?

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I MADE THIS LIST, and some forum participants in other venues I’ve sent it to talk like they never saw it.

#1. English is recognized by everyone in the world as THE international language more than any other, bar none. Chinese may be spoken as native tongue but how many Mandarins are there, really? Cantonese is not Mandarin like Portuguese is not Spanish.

#2. FLUENT English, enough for rapid-fire communication in an emergency, is THE minimum requirement for ALL air traffic controller at EVERY ONE of ALL international airports in the world, without exception.

#3. English is the international language of business, and is the most popular language to learn in China.

#4. English is spoken by more people in the world probably than Chinese, because English is the number one choice in learning a second language by non-native English speakers.

#5. English is the overwhelmingly dominant language of the Internet.

#6. English is THE language for “hackers”. Eric S. Raymond, of the Open Software Foundation, reluctantly included GOOD English as an absolute requirement for anybody in the world who wanted to be a hacker (in the good sense of the word), because hackers who spoke other first languages demanded it for the benefit of aspirants.

#7. English is THE language for following developments and history in the medical field. Doctors in Latin America that try to stay current with new techniques, medicines, surgeries, programs read ENGLISH-language journals.

#8. English is acting like it’s on a stealth campaign to infiltrate any language in the world. Hondurans think “anyway” is a word in Spanish and after a big dinner they are “full”, Dominicans ask for a “sandwich”, and the French government has to order the French to speak French to expunge English!

#9. No other language has had the unique juxtaposition of conditions as occurred in the earliest years of the 17th century in the context of a culture and society that celebrated the Word, and freed from Rome and in a way still finding its way without an agreed authority like the KJB became.

#10. There is NOT ONE verse that anybody can offer that says God will never have just one standard text as his word, BUT anyone who reads the word and takes it to heart cannot but see that as a presumption that underlies the entire whole of God’s word! Why would God cause intellectual and unending confusion over what he said? If little things like this don’t matter, why does the word of God say they do?

If God says the world was created in six days, he doesn’t mean “maybe” six days. If his word says six hundred threescore and six, it doesn’t mean six hundred thirty-six.

Modern version writers do err, not knowing the scriptures or power of God

November 8, 2012
English: Apostles receive the gift of tongues ...

English: Apostles receive the gift of tongues (Acts 2) (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

It matters not that the learned scribes and Pharisees do err, not knowing the Scriptures they so self-righteously claim to understand so well, just like the Saducees:

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

They just don’t believe them, they can’t believe the power of God to give us ONE modern-language standard Bible by which to measure all others.

For God speaketh once, yea twice, [yet man] perceiveth it not. – Job 33:14

The entire chapter of I Corinthians 14 is all about speaking tongues in part (Paul says “I speak with tongues more than ye all”, in fact – 1 Cor 14:18), but emphasizes the importance of bearing witness to the lost, NOT in tongues they cannot understand, but in tongues they DO understand.

And note this important fact: the gifts he was talking about, with prophecy and interpretation, are meant for the lost sheep, because the lost sheep does not understand an unknown tongue.

I believe in the gift of tongues, but the word says covet rather to prophesy, even as it also says –note this now all you tongue-mockers—“Forbid NOT to speak with tongues”

BUT imagine now.. If God thought it important that listeners hear the word interpreted in the spirit and by the spirit with the aid of gifts of the spirit, even then, when they even had the Hebrew and some of the Greek scriptures, HOW MUCH MORE today, in this wicked generation, would he want us to have a reliable, inspired canon in languages understood better by this generation?

After all, if you rely on THE Greek and THE Hebrew, what kind of foundation BUILT UPON THE SAND is THAT today? Consider about even today’s Sanhedrin, full of scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees, Essenes and Zealots, and even a few “certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists” who “adjure” by the Jesus “whom Paul preacheth” (lots of New Agers call him “lord” and “master”). Even these over-educated graduates who are bloated with degrees of man’s wisdom and man’s praise, even they cannot agree on which Greek and Hebrew to use, let alone what it says.

What kind of Word of God is THAT?

HOW can you say the Word of God is infallible. You can SAY “the original tongues” but you don’t HAVE any “in the original tongues”.

So God just left us in the dark to figure out how to light the candle to put the pieces together?

Somebody scoffed at the idea of following the leading of the Holy Spirit, but then they claim the leading of the Holy Spirit for Bible translators that give us a cafeteria choice of a hundred different contradicting voices. They should learn something from the simple fishermen and publicans and even a Pharisee who said that he counted all that “as DUNG” that he might win Christ.

We even have these Sanhedrin elites (the Bible calls them “rulers”) preaching to masses of listeners that they “like” this version or that one or the way this one says it better.

How about the way GOD says it?

Let’s ask God about this, whether he wants his word in DEAD languages or living languages?

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err–Mark 12:27

Think about that. These were guys that had the entire Torah memorized and yet Christ told them they did “GREATLY err, not knowing the scriptures” and “neither the power of God”.

There’s a whole lot more where that came from, but let’s remember 1 Corinthians 14 again:

1 Cor 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Back when I still thought it might be okay to use other modern translations for the benefit of ESL speakers, and it wasn’t so bad, what clinched it for me was the fact that GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION.

KJBO-critics readily agree to this, by mouth, but then the next step is to wonder why God would let the most important element of our lives by which we have to judge EVERYTHING else, why would he leave that to the deceit of our own cacophony of confusing voices and minds?

Over the years, as I have seen the examples of the fruits of this confusion multiply in its direct effect, it gets more and more obvious that God would leave us with one voice for his Word.

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

It’s natural to differ in doctrine, but at least we should realize that God would not leave us with 100 different interpretation in the same language, like the scriptures say, spiritual leaders are supposed to have discernment to sort one from another, not just cower before the alphabet soup credentials of some scribe.

King James Bible and Revelation 17:6

July 8, 2012
The title page to the 1611 first edition of th...

The title page to the 1611 first edition of the Authorized Version Bible. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

In another venue, I ran across another misguided criticism of the King James Bible.

Somebody objected to the use of the word “admiration” describing John’s attitude in looking upon the Great Whore of Babylon.

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.- Rev 17:6

It’s amazing that so many people today who hardly know any Biblical languages think they can criticize the gigantic intellects of the KJB translators, who lived in a time where they were not distracted by hours of movies and TV programs and national sports competitions and World Cups, but learned those languages as children and continued through their academic careers.

The translators for the modern English translations, on the other hand, do have several years of language instruction behind them, but they still cannot compete with the fluency of those KJB scholars.

Almost none of the other English-language translations have that wording. They replace it with “great amazement”, “complete amazement”, “greatly astonished”, “marveled”, “great wonder”.

The mistake all these people are making is that they are trying to save the Bible from saying something wrong. The Bible has no need of this.

This is a mistake they also make in Revelation 13, when they put the mark of the Beast “on” the right hand or forehead. That’s because the first word listed in English as a translation for the word in Greek in almost all lexicons, is “on”. But the King James Bible translation committees knew their Koine Greek much better than today’s dumbed-down college graduates, and doctors in divinity. They realized that the “mark” was not external; the Greek word was for an incision, or a groove, a rut, something cut down into the skin.

A tattoo might partially fit that bill, but since the KJB scholars were actually fluent in their Greek and could compose prose and carry on casual conversations in it, they knew that the better fit in English is “in”.

Now we have this word “admiration” in Revelation 17:6. The modern translators want to save John (and their Bible) from any positive reaction in John to the Great Whore.

But that’s not necessary, in my opinion. As I write, I know of two opinions explaining John’s admiration. A fellow KJB Bible believer offered his interpretation, who agrees that God speaks with “one voice”, just as Paul wrote that he would have the church speak “with one voice”.

His belief is that John was admiring at the calamities this Whore would suffer from the judgments of God. I do not find that satisfactory.

Remember, John is not exactly perfect! Duh! See what we find in Revelation 19:10:

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

So what I think about this word “admiration” here is that John had a reaction that the rest of the chapter describes as almost universal on the Earth.

It’s not a stretch. We see today in the United States all across the country, especially every July 4th, there are evangelicals, Baptists, Christians of all doctrines, who speak of how much they admire the “exceptionalism” of the United States. They hold her up as nation “chosen by God”, and repeat the mantra that it is a “Christian nation“, despite the fact that she has forgotten God, and is backslidden, and has become a proselytizer of wickedness, and just like the Great Whore, has dazzled the world through the sorceries of her media and entertainment.

See, it is too easy to admire the United States, and the products of its culture and its materialism. Even among those who complain the most about it, who enjoy the abundance of its riches, will lament its demise when it goes.

Certainly God “setteth up one, and putteth down another”, and He most assuredly blessed the nation for the Christian core of its culture and life at its founding. But it is no longer. It is no longer Christian any more than the Israel of Ahab and Jezebel was godly.

I think John was quite likely overcome in the hypnotic dazzle of the effect of this Great Whore, and we see in the very next verse that the messenger of God gently brings him back to reality:

Rev 17:7  And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

This is actually one of the greatest strengths of the KJB: these men of God revered the Word so much that they just translated the word “as is” without trying to guess at what it “really” meant in their own minds. Instead of making a best guess at the Hebrew word for “behemoth”, which they did not know, they transliterated it. No “hippo”, no “rhino”, none of that. Now we understand he was talking about a dinosaur.

“Wherefore didst thou marvel?” Not quite a rebuke, and using the word “marvel” instead of “admire” now to reduce the sting. “God knoweth our frame”, and he is quick to understand and forgive much worse.

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.- Isaiah 55:7