Archive for September, 2010

Miracles and Gifts Are for Us Today!

September 30, 2010

>>It was asked in another Group, “I want to understand what a Christian is taught about why only some disciples became apostles.”

“I’m glad you asked that question.” 🙂

Someone answered with this:

>>The twelve through nineteen men who where called an Apostle in the New Testament were in one way or another chosen directly by Yeshua Moshiach to be more than just an disciple, and the words disciple and Apostle were sort of used interchangeably when talking about them. The only difference that I could really find between the Apostles and the other hundreds of true disciples of Christ, is that Christ chose them for more of a purpose than just being a disciple.

—That, my friends, is of special note, the interchangeable use of the two words. I do find one difference, where Paul mentions his authority as an apostle in I Corinthians 9:1: Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?

In the context of the chapter preceding, he invokes the title to strengthen the point of his teaching about considering he weaker spiritual vessels and abstaining from meats when he eats with vegetarians, the like.

In the context of the following scriptures it is to emphasize the authority he has to ask for support in view of his ministering spiritual things to them.

I have heard of this verse being used to support the argument that “apostle” is a stronger honorific than is “disciple”. But he is using the title here for things that the same dispensationalism teachers use for their own support (reaping spiritual things and reaping carnal).

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Here’s another common misconception:

>>To the Apostles Yeshua Moshiach gave them authority to cast out unclean spirits, and to heal every disease and every bodily weakness. But after all the nineteen Apostles were dead there is no record in the Bible of more being made. In any case, all most everything the Apostles did where done by other followers of Christ using their Spiritual Gifts that were given to them by Christ after Christ accepted them into His family.

Now you’re using absence of evidence as implying evidence of absence. That’s a logical chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon. Nonetheless, consider Luke 10, where the word “apostle” is not uttered once:

Luke 10:1 ¶After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luke 10:17 ¶And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

When Jesus charged the eleven and whoever else was present in Mark 16 with the Great Commission, he could have said “These signs shall follow you” (to the eleven) but he did NOT. Instead, he said, “And these signs shall follow them that BELIEVE;”:

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

-And sure enough there have been enough healing outside the apostles. Ananias in Acts 9 is called a “disciple”. Just to say that the gifts of miracles faded away when the apostles went on is a conjecture. Thing is the entire New Testament, Revelation included, was written during the times of the apostles, so it is a conjecture based on the warped history preserved by the Roman Catholic Church. But they never gave up on healing either for that matter, even though they introduced superstitions later like a statuettes that bleed and all that.

I’ve seen all the verses that purport to indicate the death of the gifts and callings of God and there is not one of those verses that says anything about an expiration date for them. And all the reasons for them being ended are applicable as well to the same preachers that teach these things, and the reasons they give for them being given in the first place are reasons for the gifts persisting throughout the ages to the present day.

I have known and met Christians who had been healed –after group prayer and laying on of hands (or not)– of asthma, migraines, cancer (she helps a local missionary food distribution work), a distended belly (my stepdaughter) that refused to quit and the doctors gave up on that was healed after prayer, a brother with a “leaky” heart (something like that, according to his doctors) for which he was given six months tops by military doctors discharged who lived fifty years more, and this last was born of a mother who had been healed of an accident that had her bedridden for five years and was walking around with a missing vertebra!

I worked with missionaries ministering to the wandering youth of the 1960s (like I was) in California, and some of the brethren told me about a bus that stopped in the middle of a road trip to a camp they had, where for press of time and certain urgencies could not spend time in repairs (without the means as well). So without looking at the engine even they laid hands on it, commanded it in the name of Jesus to go, and it started up and took them there.

You skeptics already heckling, the punchline is that when they got to the destination and opened it up to see what the problem was, it was a cracked block!

The days of miracles, and the days of God honoring his saints’ prayers and the days of the gifts of healing and miracles is not over, not! “All good things” come from above, from “the father of lights”.

There are people who have successfully prayed for others for healing while they themselves are still wheelchair bound, no matter, God has his purpose in these things.

Folks like Joni Eareckson Tada are doing a magnificent work for the Lord encouraging others in similar conditions. One testimony I read once was of a man convicted in his heart by a fellow with no legs who was one of the most cheerful people he had ever met.

So no, it’s not because she’s a big sinner she’s there, it’s because she’s a big saint! I don’t think I would have the grace for that, or maybe I would but she’s the one God trusted with it.

In Joel’s book it says in the last days we’ll have dreams and visions, and in Daniel it says specifically about the Tribulation that “the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits”. Nothing shall hurt the two prophets in Jerusalem and fire comes out of their mouths and destroys their enemies.

“Greater works than these shall ye do” NOT because “ye are my disciples” or “apostles” but “because I go unto the Father”

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

alan

Isaiah 45:11 ¶Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

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Moses and the Red Sea!

September 23, 2010

It was an “east wind” that blew the waters back for sure, that’s what the Bible says. And when the Israelites were safely on the other side, Moses raised his hand and the waters came back so high the Egyptians drowned, chariots and all, even as they were already getting bogged down.

But some people today would rather worry more about a couple of parents refusing medical treatment for their faith than they do about handing their health care to government agents like the ones in the IRS, Medicare, Medicaid, you name it. And oh yeah, please, please give us the waiting lines for lab tests like in Canada and hold back health care to keep down costs like Obama’s guy said to England.

What about the people that have to wait six months in Canada and Europe for an X-Ray that shows they have cancer that could have been cured with quicker testing…

How about the science illiterates that today’s schools are turning out that don’t even know that the greatest founders of today’s science like Isaac Newton were not only men of faith but total creationists?! See, there’s no conflict between real science and faith, just a conflict between atheists and science.

How about those who think science gives them plenty enough wisdom without God thank you very much and give us the benefit of their atheist tyrannies, like it or not?

And what about those atheist regimes that always seem to get run by people enamored of their own voice and command themselves to commit mass murders in the tens of millions like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, in greater numbers than probably the entire population of Europe during the Inquisition.

What about the fact that the homicidal maniacs both the ones that are atheist and the ones supposedly saying “God told me”, the whole lot of them seems to want to wipe out Biblical Christians and Christianity, the Inquisition included?

There are people who SAY they would rather live in a world without Mother Theresa, the Red Cross, the YMCA, the Salvation Army, hospitals, clinics, orphanages, food banks, adoptions —all institutions begun by Christians ancient and modern.

So maybe they’d rather bring back the world that was before Jesus Christ through his TRUE followers (“Why call ye me Lord Lord and do not the things that I say”). Of course that would mean infant and human sacrifice, slavery, gladiator battles, legalizing the murder of one’s children.

Jesus Christ says Love Your Enemies. If people followed him instead of looking at hypocrites, they’d be way ahead. You, reader, you can have the truth, with Jesus Christ.

–trutherator

Jesus the Word of God

September 19, 2010

Why does John refer to Jesus Christ as “the Word” in John 1?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Both Jesus in the flesh, and the word of God are called “truth” (as an object). Not just that they are true, but they ARE truth.

Teno Groppi said: “I’d say the KJB is the written version of Jesus Christ.” http://www.baptistlink.com/godandcountry/html/kjv.0

That sounds like a good way to put it.

God wrapped up his identity inside the word of God. You could say he “conflated” (“to bring together; meld or fuse”) the two (himself and his word), and the word of God was made flesh, the Word of God.

Not “just” the KJB, since God was from before he even said “Let there be light” of course. But even of the beginning we have John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God is of course independent of each “manifestation” of his word, whether the Torah at the time of Moses, or the historical books and the prophetic books as they were written, and the New Testament books as they were also written.

But he has made plain that God the Son is “embodied” in the written Word, the word of God.

God made it as plain as he could. We are told from the scripture that he has magnified his word “above all his name”.

Psalms 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

In Isaiah he tells us that if anyone speaks anything “not according to this word”, there is no light in them:

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Okay now.

If John 1:1 and John 1:14 and I John 5:7 (“the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost”) have nothing to do with the scripture, then what do you think they are doing there?

And if God made such an important issue –above all others!– of his written word, as being the “scriptural manifestation” for us of the “person” of Jesus Christ, how can anyone claim that he had no interest in supervising its integrity throughout the ages?

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

But, now “Phantom-Originals-Only” (aka “POO”) defenders have to look for “the basic essential doctrines” in the corruptions of man, by the admission of all “Phantom-Originals-Only” (aka “POO”) defenders.

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

For many years as a Christian I had no idea about the importance of the versions issue and did not even think about it, although I always used the AV (KJB), and of course did realize there were some verses in other versions like the NIV with suspect wording.

It’s a significant factor that people who actually consider it a central issue tend to go in one direction. In other words, anyone who thinks God would have only one Bible today without confusion, settle on just one of the “choices”.

Compare it for understanding to the situation in creationism–evolution debates. True agnostics are rare that both (1) say they are undecided and don’t know if there is a God, and at the same time (2) are studying the subject intensely. That’s because they almost always spend little time finding themselves in the camp of believers.

The Word is the final authority for deciding among doctrines.

Deviations from “the Word” (aka “the word of God”) in POO-versions based on the false POO doctrine (Phantom Originals Only) have already been used to support deviations of doctrines from “the faith of our fathers”.

—trutherator

Westcott and Hort

September 13, 2010

At the following web site you will find copious quotes from two biographies of the Deadly Duo, (W&H), written by their sons. Westcott and Hort are the two people most responsible for diverting trust from the Bible to a collection of corrupted Greek manuscripts known as the “Alexandrian” line. The King James Bible is based on the Textus Receptus, which has a much more numerous body of manuscripts and codexes, with much more internal consistency among them, and having the best corroboration from the writings of the earliest Christian writers and the earliest translations. Remember: even among the earliest believers, the scriptures that lasted the longest intact were the ones nobody used, and the scriptures that were most used were the ones first worn out.

Westcott and Hort: Fathers of modern Bible versions.
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/157/157_08a.asp

I skimmed it, but elsewhere before I have seen quotes from one of them.

Westcott and Hort, according to their own writings and biographies by their sons:

_1_Denied six-day Creation. (And apparently any miraculous Creation event)

_2_Denied Noah’s Flood was global.

_3_Believed in Darwin’s version of Evolution, expressed admiration for both the man and the book…

_4_Denied OT miracles and Jesus’ miracles, and thought anybody who believed in them was crazy.

_5_Denied the Resurrection.

_6_Denied atonement. (Considered it “heresy”) (Thought ransom offered to the Devil made more sense)

_7_Hated the Bible. (The King James Bible)

_8_Called the Textus Receptus “villainous”

_9_Considered the writings of the NT as equal historically to any other ancient writing.

_10_Denied Biblical infallibility.

_11_Compared the Greek philosophers favorably as against “anything in revelation”.

_12_Denied Hell.

_13_Hated “democracy”, the American kind.

_14_Wanted the South to win the American Civil War. (while expressing disdain for the inferior n—)

_15_Hort made a concentrated study of Communism, expressed “approaching” it.

_16_Denied heaven as anywhere else but on earth.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
21 And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.
22 And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.

Hear Ye Hear Ye! See Why the Rapture Comes After the Tribulation #1

September 11, 2010

Hear Ye, Hear Ye! See Why the Rapture Comes After the Tribulation

Pre-tribbers are circling the wagons against the fast-growing numbers of Christian believers who are seeing in the Bible that the “Rapture” will happen after the period of Tribulation. This posting is an answer to one web article with a list of seven supposed reasons the Rapture cannot come after the Tribulation.

I love lists. They give a chance to show the truth as against the best that deniers and deceived can offer.

Seven Reasons Why the Rapture Cannot Come After the Tribulation
http://www.rapturesolution.com/beechick/Intro/7reasons.htm

1.The known day and the unknown day cannot be the same day.

“But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Matthew 24:36). “In such an hour as you think not the Son of man comes” (Matthew 24:44).


This is one for the famous “Duh, dude”. State an obvious logical truism and then quote a verse as if it proves it which in this case does not.

Please note that this verse is in the present verb tense, and was spoken to those who were in his hearing. Nobody in Jesus’ day knew the day nor the hour, and Jesus even apparently excluded himself in his person at the time from knowing.

Not also that someone who uses this as a back-door method to prove that Jesus is coming any time gets backfire. During this modern generation, they are expecting Jesus’ return at any time, therefore Matthew 24:44 disqualifies their any-time-now Rapture.

And in Matthew 24:32 he makes clear that when the time is getting close, we can know.

BUT in the same chapter Jesus makes VERY clear that he is coming back after the Tribulation:

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Okay, to put the time line together:

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,…
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation,…
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days…
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven…

He’s referring to Daniel’s prophecy:
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The “one week” is where the predicted seven years rulership of the Antichrist comes from. It is a direct translation from the Hebrew word “seven”. They use this word to mean not only the number, but also for a “week”, and another reference is to a period of seven years.

The meaning is also defined in the context of other prophecies in both Daniel and in Revelation and in Jesus’ own declarations that we find in Matthew 24. In other scriptures that refer to the last half of the same seven-year period (“..in the midst of the week..”) you find counts of the number of days, the number of weeks, and the number of months, that lead up to the end of these last few days, which of course culminates the end of the Tribulation period, the Rapture, and then the Wrath of the vials of Revelation poured upon the earth up to Armageddon.

So Jesus’ admonition to the apostles that “no man knows” was absolutely and indisputably for the listeners of the time. In other contexts the pre-Tribulation preachers have no problem distinguishing between one audience and another.

Even while blowing right through the fact that Jesus was using the present tense when he said that, and that he was speaking to those disciples.

When the pre-tribbers acknowledge that there are people who are here on earth during the Tribulation that are saved, they acknowledge that there is a selection of audiences to which the scriptures speak. In the pre-Trib world, the unprepared are the ones who are saved after their pre-trib Rapture, and it is those who are taken by surprise.

Consider that Jesus used the Ark to illustrate what he meant by “no man knows”. In Genesis we see that Noah’s’ rain and flood overtook the unwary and the ungodly, BUT! Noah knew exactly when it was time to go into the Ark. Noah was not surprised at all.

God gave Noah seven days’ warning:

Genesis 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

For Noah, once the rain started and his family was safely ensconced in the Ark, there was no danger or interaction with the ungodly.

For us in these last few days, weeks, months that lead up to this end stage of this world’s end, we have all the signs Jesus gave us but we still don’t know the day nor the hour.

We do know from both Daniel 9 and Matthew 24, however, that the clock starts ticking on the last seven years when the “Covenant” is signed by the “prince that shall come” (the Antichrist: Dan 9:26), and that Jesus identifies the Tribulation period as starting “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place” (Matt 24:15). He is referring to the “overspreading of abominations” in Daniel 9:27.

–Alan