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End Times, Second Coming, and the Truth

April 28, 2017

DID THE APOSTLES THINK THEY WERE IN THE END TIMES?

The “rapture” is not a sudden unexpected one for those who are in light:
1 Thessalonians (13) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that day should overtake you as a thief. (14) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

DID THE APOSTLES BELIEVE THE “SECOND COMING” COULD BE ANY MINUTE NOW?

Paul said –obviously for believers in HIS day– that the end times and Second Coming was NOT immanent, but that the Beast (aka Antichrist) would be revealed FIRST:
2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

DID EVERY GENERATION AFTER CHRIST BELIEVE THEY WERE IN THE END TIMES?

It is a Satanic lie that “every generation” thought they were in the end times. Isaac Newton said he thought it wouldn’t be until the 24th century or later. Also, if you check Bible commentaries and writings of most Christian theologians in the 19th century and even leading up to World War II, you’ll find that Christians were saying the end times could not happen until after Israel would be first restored as a nation-state.

DOES THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE IN 70 AD AS PROPHESIED IN MATTHEW 24:2 MEAN THE ANTICHRIST IS RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM?

Only a lawyer would wait till he’s out of ear shot to laugh at that one, and only a liar or a deceiver of one’s self could believe it.
The destruction of the temple in 70 AD is God’s affidavit that the end times prophecies in Matthew 24 were of God, the predictions that follow that one. It’s a watermark.

Most of the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah and the End Times, you’ll observe, are in the Bible because certain prophecies they uttered came to pass while they were still alive.

Like Moses and the plagues confirm his prediction of the taking of the evil lands of Canaanites and the prophecy about a later “Great Prophet”.
Jeremiah’s ending chapters are confirmed in the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem.

And so on. When the temple was destroyed in the exact manner Jesus said, the rest of the chapter is to be taken equally “literally”, or in a straightforward reading. Meaning, ye would “hear of” earthquakes, famines, pestilences, but hold on, that does NOT mean it’s the end times, rather, the end “is NOT yet” [my emphasis].

But it is always the time to repent, to ask the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your heart, cleanse you from all righteousness, and accept his gift of eternal life, paid for on the cross and signed by the Creator of life, death and the universe with the Resurrection.

Where was the standard for the “Word of God” before 1611?

July 23, 2013

The Word of God did surely exist somewhere as promised, say, in 1610, in one collection, possibly in Hebrew for the O.T. and Greek for the N.T. Possibly in Latin. There was not one known copy with evidence based on preservation. But the truth is I don’t know except for the promises.

That was nothing new in the history of Scripture. There was a time when a king inherited the throne, and ordered the Temple to be restored, and the priests found a copy of scriptures, hidden in the walls of the structures they were restoring. This righteous king called for repentance and to lift the scripture up again across the land.

No one could have pointed you to them, but there they were. In the case of the KJB

Casiodoro de Reina de Proel En el dominio públ...

Casiodoro de Reina de Proel

, God chose a different way to restore a collection of inspired Canon that you could point to. Therefore I agree with the use of the term Restoration Bible used by Stephen to (I presume) refer to the KJB. That’s why I also agree with the terminology of “restore God’s perfect Word” because it had lost its place.

The Word was certainly restored to its proper residence in one recognized Canon, that not only met the test by fire of its use by Spirit-filled people for more than three centuries in its language with no other translation even contemplated.

The fact of the scripture’s restoration to its place of honor with the KJB is seen in the fact that it quickly supplanted what you could call other “competing” translations, even beyond the reach of British or Anglican authority, and even beyond the “spirit-filled”. It was quickly dominant I believe even by the Calvinists of the day, the Puritans, and others.

Another evidence is the way it dominated the English language. Isaac Asimov once wrote that it was Shakespeare who stabilized the English language because the KJB was “just a translation”, which shows he doesn’t know so much about history as he puts on, or that he is “willfully ignorant”. Not for nothing he even says it, because it shows he recognized the Authorized Version/KJB as having dominance in the English language.

I can’t speak for Polish or Chinese, but Spanish certainly shows this as well. I’ve read the Casiodoro de Reina from times more or less contemporary to the KJB, and the Spanish is very, very different from the 1960 Revision, or even the 1905.

Palestine, Israel, Darby, Scofield, Dispensationalism, Jews and Salvation

July 4, 2013
Deir Yassin after occupation by Jewish forces,...

Deir Yassin after occupation by Jewish forces, April 1948 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Palestine has been there for 2,000 years.

The Zionist guerrillas the Haganah and the Irgun and the Stern Gang “declared independence” in 1948 and battled the British, who quickly gave it up. The Irgun terrorized the Arabs with a strategically precision massacre in one or two small villages like at Deir Yassin where they did not leave even one woman or baby alive. Deir Yassin was strategically located for military and logistics reasons, and it did not matter to the Irgun, led by Begin, that the Arabs of Deir Yassin had declared their neutrality in the war between the Zionists and the Arab countries without, and had been a village that had been one of the friendliest to the Jews in what was ON THE MAPS at the time denoted as “Palestine”.

The Jews had wandered for about 1,900 years without a state, but now it’s the Palestinians –those are the Muslim and CHRISTIAN Arabs that have ancestral roots to Palestine. Many of them are Arabs that had properties and homes from generations before that they had to abandon in some cases, forced out, and in other cases fled in panic when they saw the massacres and saw that the Irgun terrorists were winning the battles. Western money and weapons flooded in for the Zionists, who had the advantage of advanced military training from the Western countries.

It’s also a religious state where Christians, especially Arab Christians, are treated as de facto second-class citizens. Jewish immigrants are immediately granted full citizenship status, defined as either offspring of a Jewish mother or certified as a bona fide religious Jew by some recognized rabbi. When Jewish immigrants become Christians, they have had to battle the state to retain their citizenship as Jews. “Messianic Jews”, meaning Jews who are self-identified Christians and recognize Jesus as the Messiah but follow the Torah and the Jewish customs, are despised culturally,

Jews for Jesus are especially scorned by the rabbis and politicians because (1) they enthusiastically witness to their Jewish neighbors about Jesus, and (2) they openly recognize that there is no special place for “Jewishness” in God’s eyes.

That’s one reason there is this “ecumenical” movement getting such strong support in the States. James Hagee has probably gotten millions in paybacks for his sycophantic preaching for the divine right of Jews to refuse Jesus. They want to tell Christians to witness to everybody else just not them.

The Jewish special-ness got started in the 19th century with John Darby in England and Cyrus Scofield in the States. Darby is sometimes called the “father of dispensationalism”. Darby hated the Bible so he rewrote it, with a text more bendable to promote dispensationalism. Divine right of Jewish ancestry.

Cyrus Scofield was a serial con man and womanizer with a series of divorces in his wake when it was culturally repugnant, but the most repugnant thing was he absconded with these rich women’s wealth, and refused to send child support for his own biological progeny. Finally he ended up in prison for embezzling in a bank of his employ.

Some group we know little about at the time supposedly “converted” him in prison, and set him up with Darby. Cyrus Scofield knew that Americans were still not so foolish as to deceived by a new “translation”, so he just rewrote the Bible by created copious notes in the margin that redefined the text to something else and created a labyrinth of verse cross-references that twisted the word to destructive deceit.

That’s how dispensationalism (and an incidental divine right-type destiny for Jews) got rewritten into the Bible. He divided up the Bible and said this part’s not for you, it was for the patriarchs. This other part is for you, but not for the Jews. This other part is for the Jews. Blah blah blah. Screwed up the timing of the “Second Coming” and everything.

So after Scofield, we got a series of commentators coming after that wrote basically the same things into the Bible and they started teaching it in seminaries (many of them “cemeteries”, where youth go to bury their faith).

And now, a “Fellowship of Christians and Jews”, where instead of obeying Mark 16:15 as in “first to the Jew”, they are learning how to be modern-day Jews!

“He that hath the Son hath life; he that hath not the Son hath not life; but the wrath of God abideth upon him”.–John 3:36.

To the Jews even the Old Testament prophets asked “Why will ye die?” and it is full of condemnations of the Jews for their sins. The state of Israel and the Muslim-dominated states nearby are cooperating on one thing at least: pretending that Palestinian Christians do not exist. They are un-persons in international Old Media.

But they do exist. God is ultimately in charge. His wheels of justice are slow but sure. David clearly recognized in one prayer that the wicked are “God’s sword”, meaning God uses them for judgment sometimes.

The hope for this world is in the Son of God, the Prince of Peace. Changing people one heart at a time. That’s why preaching at Muslims and this suicidal policy pushed by George Soros money of “duty to intervene” is not going to work for peace.

What’s going to work is the Brother Andrew approach: supporting the persecuted Christians already inside these countries. I have no doubt that the body of Christians in China has something to do with the thawing of tyranny there. Helping Hands Korea supports North Korean refugees in South Korea and in China, and I am sure he’s helping North Koreans inside their country (and not just Christians). I know this because I know the founder, worked with him in Phoenix for awhile. http://www.helpinghandskorea.org

That’s how the Roman Empire changed, how slavery ended in Europe after them, education spread.. One heart at a time…

“They that understand among the people shall instruct many”

April 20, 2013
Entrance to Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensaco...

Entrance to Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola, Florida. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

If the 144,000 were not saved before the Tribulation, then there are pitifully and poorly prepared to be these: “They that understand among the people shall instruct many”.

God is not a “respector of persons”, so says his word, and the kingdom of God was taken from the “Jew according to the flesh” when Jesus said the kingdom was “taken from you and given to a nation bringing for the fruit thereof”.

The spirit quickeneth, the flesh profiteth NOTHING, “Say not ye we have Abraham to our father”, “Who is a Jew” asked Paul and then explained VERY CLEARLY who would inherit the promises made to Abraham. And that the promises to Abraham that “in thy seed” shall all the Earth was blessed came to fruition with the birth, life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The genealogies list the lineage from Adam to Jesus Christ, so as to show that Jesus was fully human and descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and David, and of the tribe of Judah, literally. The records that they kept during those days provided another proof that Jesus was and is the Messiah. Now, with the records and the record-keeping dissolved into the ether together with the now diluted biological line, the “Jews according to the flesh” are not much more homogenous as such biologically than many nations on the planet, and they are surely no more Jewish than Ruth or Rahab or Uriah the Hittite.

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

In today’s world, there’s no way you can sort out which Jew-according-to-the-flesh (supposedly) is which tribe, and in fact, they have mixed Arab blood, Ethiopian, Persian, Turkish, and especially European. Even Biblically, Rahab and Ruth share in the Abrahamic line to Messiah, and there are plenty of tribes from the region that intermarried with the Jews in those days. Maybe half of David’s Mighty Men! Jesus made this point too!

So there is another purpose in the numbering of “them which were sealed” as 144,000. I do believe they are probably leaders especially anointed for leading the sheep during the Tribulation. But it would not be “God’s nature” to let babes lead babes with no spiritual guidance. The Word says so:

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Lots of people who had before believed the Rapture was before the Tribulation will eventually come to reconsider, because they don’t always just blindly follow Establishment Christianity.

Kent Hovind and many others have studied the issue and changed in position . So did the ones that made this video to explain themselves:

Hal Lindsey‘s first book, The Late Great Planet Earth, was one of the first on Bible prophecy I read as I was led to faith in Christ and God prepared me to serve him in for street witnessing and missionary work. He introduced the book explaining that he approached the subject from scratch, meaning threw out everything he’d heard and started studying straight from scripture.

He had scriptures that drew an obvious straightforward parallel to events and times, as I remember it. Verses for all of it. I don’t remember enough detail to compare to what I know now after doing the same thing as a Berean. But he candidly admitted in his chapter about the Rapture that he had NOT found ANY clear scripture to support the event as coming before the Tribulation, but he believed it anyway. As many theology doctorates at the time, he used the prop that it was not in “God’s nature” to make us go through the Tribulation. The “evidence” is some of the incidents where God’s leading or prophecy saved his saints.

It’s a stretch to make that leap of logic. But even then he did not realize the disconnect between (1) the plagues of the trumpets and (2) the plagues of the vials of the Wrath of God that come with (after) the last trump that shall sound. The last vial of the wrath of God is when we return back down with Jesus (“saints with him”) and he descends “with a shout”.

The Ten Virgins Parable is NOT about the Rapture

April 4, 2013

Read the details carefully. Whatever you want to call these events, the “gathering together” –what we usually call the Rapture– occurs, as Jesus said in Matthew 24, “immediately after the Tribulation“. That’s after the plagues of the trumpets of Tribulation occur.

While we are with Jesus, then, the vials of the period we call “The Wrath” are poured upon the Earth and the plagues of the vials of the wrath of God are poured out on the ones left on the surface of the Earth.

At the end of “The Wrath”, that’s when Jesus descends from Heaven with a shout and the saints with him, and defeats the armies of the Antichrist at Armageddon.

The parable of the ten virgins and the oil and the bridegroom cannot point to a pre-Trib rapture. That would contradict the multitude of scriptures that state in plain English, clear language, that it is after the Tribulation.

“Those who are asleep in the church” are the ones who think they will not have to face the hardship of the Tribulation, and then they’re using escape from the Tribulation to sell Salvation too. Our missionary work was one of the most awake movements that grew from the Jesus People movements of the 1960s and 1970s, I myself having led dozens and maybe hundreds to the Lord in three Latin American countries and in the States. “Be ye also ready”.

In fact, when Jesus said, “for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh”, he very well could have been talking about the any-minute pre-Trib Rapure, because just before that he said:

Too many Christian “scholars” have said Pre, so many have believed it:

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So be ye ready like the “goodman of the house”, as in “had known what watch the thief would come”, that’s when “he would have watched”. But so many Christians will have their house broken up by either (1) the surprise that ALL the saints were “left behind”, or (2) an even greater “falling away” from disillusionment by the ones who believed a false prophecy, or by the ones who thought they were saved and now think they are not.

The Rapture is a different event from the “Second Coming” if you mean the (1) “gathering together” of Matthew 24 “immediately after the Tribulation of those days” is different from (2) the descent with a shout and with the saints at Armageddon.

The unsaved will know about the Rapture, like Jesus said:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The “parable of the fig tree” that follows the above passage represents the re-establishment of the geopolitical and quasi-Jewish-by-the-flesh nation of Israel, which would presage the events of the end times, and would lead into the generation that would see the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds. This is probably before the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. “They that understand among the people shall instruct many”.

The Antichrist with the antichrists might very well tell the world that this is an alien invasion or something in fact. After all, the Illuminati are already calling themselves with a new nickname: “Interplanetary guardians”.

I have studied this “like the Bereans”. Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a brand-spankin’ new doctrine as of the early 19th century. Kind of suspiciously coincides with the rise of the those “interplanetary guardians” as a new geo-political force, you might say.

We’ve been led to false doctrine (I was beforetimes myself once) by the Scofields and the Darbys and the Westcotts and the Horts. It might even be a doctrine of devils to get Christians to sleep through much of the Antichrist rule, just like they are right now with a lower-case “antichrist” in the White House… Huckabee would talk nice to him and lift him up if the big bad “O” ever went on his show. The guy could chip half the Christians in the country in their right hand and they might even think it’s okay because they can’t believe it’s Trib time.

The Lord’s Day, Sabbath, and the Early Church

June 2, 2012
English: Jesus resurrected and Mary Magdalene

English: Jesus resurrected and Mary Magdalene (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

The first day is “the Lord’s day” for a reason. It is not invented. The Sabbath is the last day of the week for sure, our Saturday, and some Christians have been confused on the nomenclature, sure, but it started from the time of the earliest Christians, from the apostles.

In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.-Matthew 28:1

Now when [Jesus] was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.– Mark 16:9

“I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,” Rev 1:10

The reason that the Jews of Jesus day who followed him began to come together for fellowship and praise on the first day of the week was because Jesus had risen that day of the week. This is one of the historical evidences for his resurrection, because the Jews were so, say, fanatical about the Sabbath.

It’s true that our Saturday, the last day of the week, is the true Sabbath from the times and laws of Moses, but the first day of the week is historical.

Read the early church writings (even from 95 AD) about the practice: http://www.bible.ca/H-sunday.htm
God bless the people who compiled those excerpts for the rest of us.

And it is not for nothing that half of the listed incidents of Pharisees criticizing Jesus was all about the Sabbath. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath.

If you are “guided by Christ” you know he will not contradict the scripture.

April 12, 2012

ALL studies are guided by the metaphysical foundations of whatever the student or scholar believes, they are 100% inseparable. BUT it is still the duty to know why you believe something, or else “get out”, so you can be one of those Christ talks about that needs healing.

The thing is, every one without exception who actually is guided by Christ will not put a question mark on the word, but like Christ said “My word is truth”, and like it says in Isaiah 8, “To the word and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them”.

Otherwise, every man will “do what is right in his own eyes”, and look where that got us, I mean “Christians“.

KJB Clarifications: Answers to Questions

March 2, 2012
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Bible (Photo credit: Sean MacEntee)

Rich Wendling says he doesn’t understand why anybody would be KJBO and he asks some questions in his blog:

Theological Positions I Don’t Understand, Part 1:

http://richwendling.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/theological-positions-i-dont-understand-part-1/

Apparently he has had people in his life who used to take a KJB-Only position but have changed. The sad thing is that this is more an indication that they themselves did not understand the reasons why it may be God‘s position, because they have moved away from that understanding.

There is a LOT more to insisting on the KJB as THE standard for Christians than just tradition.

Let’s take his questions in raw form, as is:

#1. There are several different texts used in Bible translation.  How do we know the texts upon which the King James was based are inerrant?

The supremacy of the KJB does not just depend on its based-on text, the Textus Receptus, which is also known as The Majority Text, as it comprises about 95 percent of the manuscripts and codexes from ancient times that exist today of the New Testament. The Hebrew text used for the Old Testament is for most translations the Mazoretic, which is pretty much agreed to by all scholars as best representing the originals.

There are two main body of texts. The Majority Text, which is majority for getting the most respect from the earliest Christians in most ancient times, the text the Byzantines-then-Greek Orthodox never gave up.

But we must understand anyway that today there is absolutely no existing “original” text of any book or part of the Bible in existence today. What we have are multiple generations of copies of copies. So when any of the modern version advocates or anti-KJB commenters talk about “only the originals are inspired”, what are they talking about?

Because they do not know WHAT they are talking about, because there are NO existing “original autographs” anywhere in the world today, those are long gone on the dust heap of history. So by their own claims, they have NO BASIS to back up what they say about fidelity to the so-called “originals”.

But it’s a good question, How do you know? There are good reasons for the Textus Receptus over the Alexandrian texts, among other things being that the Alexandrian texts claimed as basis and used in modern versions h ave bigger differences among themselves than they do from the Majority Text.

Another is “By their fruits ye shall know them”.

#2. How can any translation be inerrant, since we don’t know what some Hebrew and Greek words used in the Bible actually mean?  How could they have been translated correctly?  For example, the Hebrew word תיבת or teiveh only appears twice in the Old Testament.  It is the word for Noah’s ark, and the word for Moses’ baby basket.  Nobody knows exactly what it means, though.

“Nobody knows exactly what it means” today, maybe, but this is another evidence of the excellent knowledge of the 70 or so brilliant scholars that worked on the King James Bible. These are people who had a dedicated, sincere love for the Lord, and at the same time did not lack for fluency in the Biblical languages. They wrote prose in those languages, they could hold debates in these languages, they could have revived them in a way similar to the Hebrew spoken today in Israel, except that their Greek would have been closer to the ancient Koine.

But they did not manifest the hubris, the pride, or the guesswork of the modern translators when it came to a word that they really did not understand.

For example, when they came across the Hebrew word “behemoth” in the book of Job, they did not take a wild guess like your modern versions. “Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.” -Job 40:15. They didn’t even add the misleading NIV footnote saying it could be a hippo or an elephant, which between the lines says “your guess is as good as ours”.

But the “elephant” guess is WORSE today than even just treating it like the KJB does, because it’s a sign of unbelief.

No the KJB scholars did not know the word so they transliterated it, and if you read the text you’ll understand it’s the description of a dinosaur without doubt. But the modern graduate of the dumbed-down schools of today cannot believe Genesis, they do not believe the Bible cover to cover, so they guess at something else.

#3. A related problem is that there are many Hebrew and Greek words for which we do know the meaning, but there is no corresponding English word with exactly the same meaning.  How can any translation in any language be inerrant?

Let’s explain by example.

Revelation 13: 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Note that word “in”, as in “in their right hand”. The NKJV, NIV, NLT, that is really ALL the modern translations replace the word “in” with “on”.

At the following link find some amazing insights into the guiding hand of God and the expertise of the KJB translators in using the word “in” instead of the misleading “on”, and the wild perversion of the word with the word “tattoo” in some:

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/hinton_rev_13_16.html

From John Hinton: The preposition epi can also mean in, to, at, with, along with, and a number of other similar meanings. It must be read in context before it is translated, and unlike the correctors of today, the KJV translators were able to do that. They did, and they realized that a xaragma, which is translated as mark, involves a scratching or etching into the skin. This, we could imply, would include injections, although the idea of injections was not known when the text was written. Any philologist of even meager ability realizes that prepositions cannot be put into neat little boxes. They virtually never translate perfectly from one language to another. For instance, if we were to make a word for word translation of “turn the light on” or “turn the light off” into any foreign language, we would not be understood at all. For another example, when one learns a preposition in Arabic like ‘ala, the meaning of “on” will be learned first. If we were to try to translate it as “on” in every instance, we would make a complete mess out of the language, because ‘ala means a whole lot more than just “on”, and it frequently requires either a lot of experience or a lot of thought to discern what it means in a given passage. I am sure that there is not a language in the world that uses prepositions that does not have other examples. The translators of old put their discernment to work when they translated epi; the modern version pseudo-translators did not.”

That’s why he felt compelled to introduce the above paragraph with this commentary:

Revelation 13:16 is one of those verses that fakes and second-rate Greek scholars use to puff themselves up, and it requires only the most elementary level of study. Yes, indeed, when epi is used as a preposition it is most often translated as “on” just as all dictionaries will tell us. I did learn this the very first day that I began studying koine Greek, and probably learned it the first day that I began studying Greek twenty some years ago when my focus was on Modern Greek. This is as basic as it gets, so why do these Bible “correcting” pipsqueaks think that these great scholars of old, who were far more educated than they will ever be, did not know the most common meaning of epi? This is not just ignorance, but the worst kind of arrogance. The fact that they chose not to translate epi as “on” demonstrates that they knew something the modern quasi or pseudo-scholar does not know. These 53 men (the 54th died early) knowingly translated or approved of the translation of epi as “in” in its context for a reason.

#4. Even if it were possible to have a perfect, inerrant translation – how do we know it’s the King James?

That’s the best question yet. You can just follow the word itself for this one, even the modern perversions haven’t been able to cover up the Biblical basis for this.

While we’re into this one, keep in mind that the modern translators have absolutely no Biblical basis whatsoever to say that God cannot have inspired a translation for modern times. None. Their “Biblical” objections are actually ad hoc character assassinations mostly, and the use of the word “cult” as pejorative, and other irrelevant noise.

God promised in Psalm 12:8 to keep his pure words preserved, as silver purified in the furnace and tried seven times.

The most important thing God has to tell us, to show us, is his word. Some anti-KJBO screeds take exception to Psalm 12, saying it means something else. Even based on their mouthings, even if you think it’s a promise to preserve the poor, what do you think is more valuable to God but the word. After all, that’s Jesus without the flesh (John 1:1)

God knew that English would be the standard language around the world in today’s troubled times. It is the international language of commerce, trade, diplomacy, business, journalism, science, technology, and as a software developer I can tell you that ALL programming languages are based on English. To be a real hacker, take it from Eric Steven Raymond, one of the original group that invented the word at MIT in the earliest computing days:

http://tinyurl.com/2t9ab

“As an American and native English-speaker myself, I have previously been reluctant to suggest this, lest it be taken as a sort of cultural imperialism. But several native speakers of other languages have urged me to point out that English is the working language of the hacker culture and the Internet, and that you will need to know it to function in the hacker community.”

At every international airport in the world, if you cannot speak fluent English enough to handle fast-talking emergencies, you cannot be an air traffic controller. I’ve lived in Latin America, and doctors follow developments in medicine in the English journals.

That’s merely evidence that it would be most likely according to God’s desire to have us “make disciples of all nations”, to use English.

If it hadn’t have been ‘er, who’d have been ‘er, as the saying goes. If not the KJB, which? Every criticism of the KJB that I have ever seen, every one, without exception , has been itself flawed and has proven to be without merit.

God is not the author of confusion. There are more than 100 English language translations and “paraphrases” oday on sale. I Corinthians 14 says God is not the author of confusion, and it’s talking about interpretation of tongues.

Can God inspire a translation? There are at least a dozen places in scripture that were obviously first written as translations from a different language, including Joseph’s conversations in the Egyptian, Daniel’s in Babylonian, and “King of the Jews”, and modern translators claim that those original translations were inspired, so they agree that a God can guide a translation.

There is internal consistency in the King James, it does not contradict itself. Doctrine testifies to it. In the King James you put out a heretic from fellowship, in the NIV you put out Jesus, because it says to remove anybody who is “divisive”.

#5. Even if the King James Bible was inerrant in 1611, when it was written, how can it be inerrant now, since the English language has changed so much in the last 400 years?  Many English words do not mean the same thing in today’s English as they did in 1611 English.

The King James Bible kept the English language stable over 400 years, after its previous erratic wanderings. The KJB is just as understandable today as then. A lot of the words that have been called “archaic” by people who did not know better are simply a matter of simply learning English, not archaic at all.

Along those lines, this is one complaint about the “thee”s and “thou”. But those words had gone generally out of use by the 13th or 14th century. The reason those words are in the KJB is for accuracy. It distinguishes the second person singular pronoun from the second person plural. There are a number of passages where this makes much difference.

Understanding the Bible, getting help, and translations

February 26, 2012

Someone wrote elsewhere:

….I have a son that has the same issues. He gets 2 verses read and has a headache and during that reading the words move and letters do jumping jacks. I have a question for you. Are you going to let MAN tell you what translation of the Bible to read and cause you to no longer be able to take comfort in the words of God Most High?


Rich has nothing to be frustrated about. I’ve had my own frustrations.

I tested out for gifted classes and was always good in spelling and vocabulary, and I am sure I was saved a child in the church where my Dad was pastor. But I went back to reading the Bible after I met some “Jesus people” and could not understand almost anything that I opened up random until I actually joined full-time and had some Bible classes.

You want to see confusion? Go to www.blueletterbible.org and open up almost any chapter, and click on the “V” for version comparison, now THAT is confusion.

And one of the most unrecognized truth in this discussion is that the KJB is the still the silent standard in the background, because Christianity in the English-speaking world was stabilized with it and the modern versions are now done with a sideways glance to the wording in the KJB, but even more so, the doctrines that were brought to light by it. (Trinity, Great Commission, Salvation by Grace, the Mark of the Beast, much more).

There are no perfect translations of ANY WORK of any author. There are better thans. The KJV has some really good sections over some others and then some really bad ones.

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I have seen hundreds of “examples” of “bad” sections in the KJB so-called and they turned out to be silly, or stupid, results of ignorance of the English language, ignorance of doctrine, and other gaps in knowledge and understanding.

There are dozens passages in the scripture in fact that were obviously translations from other languages into the Hebrew. There is NOT ONE verse in ANY version that says God will NEVER anoint a translation from original languages for the future.

The NASB is a literal translation as well.


Of the proven corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts, which are as varied among themselves as the modern translations as well, but most likely use a Nestle-Aland Greek for the NT, based on the Westcott-Hart.

My recommendation for you is either an audio of the Bible or buy as used Kindle on Ebay. It has text to speech and will be read for you.


Here you have free downloadable audio of the King James, book by book, you can listen on-line too:
http://www.audiotreasure.com/indexKJV.htm

You find an audio read here too. Looks like they used to have the narration by Alexander Scourby online but the copyright holders of that recording revoked permission:
http://www.audio-bible.com/bible/bible.html

That’s really too bad, because (1) Scourby’s rendition was, in my opinion at least, anointed because it was perfect, and you could not distinguish Scourby from the reading of it. In other words, you were listening to the scripture itself and Scourby was not in the way.

That is what my son has and it is wonderful. Let the Spirit of God lead you into all truth. To say the KJV is the only Bible to read is absolutely ridiculous and leaves all people who do not read English without the ability to get the “perfect” words of God! What kind of God is that?


That would be your “kind” of God more than that of KJB advocates because the idea of “original languages”, because since there is such variation in copies today extant in “original languages”, that HAS to lead by direct logical mathematics to the idea of “original autographs only”, which of course are out of reach of all of us.

And yet 95 percent of the modern translations in English from the “original autographs” are based on 5 percent of the copies that exist today (with all the inconsistency and contradictions among them), while 95 percent of the oldest copies are the basis for the King James Bible.

Not to mention that until English became a language – no one on the planet could have access to God’s words. Does this not make sense to you? Who has the right to declare any book perfect? The Bible is the plumb line by which you test which spirit is talking to you.


In the times of Moses and the prophets, there was only ONE TRIBE that had “access” to God’s words based on that speculation, why would it not be a problem for the “original languages” and be a problem today?

If you “Try the spirits”, you will abide by the spirit of the word, not the letter. By their own admission, the modern translations trust in the letter of the law, meaning the pick it apart with man’s wisdom and they give priority to the world’s ideas about translation techniques instead of giving first respect to the Word itself.

The modern translations even brag about their knowledge of the letter, and it loses spirit. A Haitian-born co-worker said she could tell that the KJB did have more spirit than the other one she had used (that her pastor used). I met a gal from Brazil at a shop in a mall reading the KJB who said the same thing. (Her pastor uses the NIV). She could not stand the other bland versions.

We already have some people preaching that the mark of the Beast cannot be an implanted chip (like the one they already market) because of the mis-translation in all the MV’s (modern versions) of the word “in”, preferring the Harvard-grad translation “on”.

We already have some people (including Christians) claiming Biblical basis for believing in Darwinian evolution because man’s worldly language wisdom says Genesis One has “ages” instead of “days”.

We have Sodom getting fire and brimstone for “lack of hospitality” instead of sodomy.

We have Jesus Christ expelled from congregations for being “divisive” instead of the heretic getting expelled. Democracy rules, even if the majority is heretical.

We have John’s gospel saying jesus is “a god” instead of just “God”.

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. – Matthew 4:4Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. – Proverbs 30:5

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 0 2 Corinthians 3:6

Also, look up words and there meanings by using a simple thing like the Strong’s Concordance (it is not perfect either but it is a start) at www.blueletterbible.org

These are just my thoughts when I saw your struggle. God is more concerned that you get to enjoy the records He had others write down, rather than who published it or which king commissioned it or other silly man made rules.


Those objections are owned by the anti-KJB demagogues that have Ms. Raylene confused as well. And backwards apparently.

They are the ones who claim to know best about “who published it”, they pick their words based on “other silly man made rules”, and everybody knows that the “records [God] had others write down” do not exist anywhere today, and we only have old copies of them through many copies of copies. And some of them are likely translations from other languages but treated as God’s word. By the anti-KJB demagogues themselves.

Scriptural grounds for and against KJBO

February 19, 2012

The points they use against the KJB (‘What about generations past”) exposes their own bankruptcy on that very issue. How do they know which one of these has the “original Greek”? Well, they have their own “priestly scholars”, meaning the scribes and Pharisees they trust to tell them what the Greek means.

That is, they have to pick one and say “That one reference standard proves the KJB is wrong”.

Oh yeah? They can’t prove anything, because they claim that the only acceptable true standard to say XYZ is excactly what the Word of God says, are the long-gone “original autographs”.

Besides, they cannot point to any scripture at all that they can use to say that God would never preserve his word in later eras, in times to come, in a new language. Nor can they point to even one scripture that hints that God would be happy with one hundred “acceptable” variations from his Word to be used to cite “scipture”. Not one.

But I’ve seen enough examples here & elsewhere from people who do know Koine Greek (hundreds, maybe thousands) that even the Greek doesn’t help them.

There’s nothing conclusive on their side but the relevant verses are:

(1) the verses that promise preservation in Psalms,
(2) “Not one jot or tittle shall pass away till all be fulfilled” (*See note),
(3) “God is not the author of confusion”,
(4) No prophecy…is of private interpretation
(5) But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
(6) “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (I Corinthians 1:10)