Posts Tagged ‘Rapture’

End Times, Second Coming, and the Truth

April 28, 2017

DID THE APOSTLES THINK THEY WERE IN THE END TIMES?

The “rapture” is not a sudden unexpected one for those who are in light:
1 Thessalonians (13) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that day should overtake you as a thief. (14) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

DID THE APOSTLES BELIEVE THE “SECOND COMING” COULD BE ANY MINUTE NOW?

Paul said –obviously for believers in HIS day– that the end times and Second Coming was NOT immanent, but that the Beast (aka Antichrist) would be revealed FIRST:
2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

DID EVERY GENERATION AFTER CHRIST BELIEVE THEY WERE IN THE END TIMES?

It is a Satanic lie that “every generation” thought they were in the end times. Isaac Newton said he thought it wouldn’t be until the 24th century or later. Also, if you check Bible commentaries and writings of most Christian theologians in the 19th century and even leading up to World War II, you’ll find that Christians were saying the end times could not happen until after Israel would be first restored as a nation-state.

DOES THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE IN 70 AD AS PROPHESIED IN MATTHEW 24:2 MEAN THE ANTICHRIST IS RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM?

Only a lawyer would wait till he’s out of ear shot to laugh at that one, and only a liar or a deceiver of one’s self could believe it.
The destruction of the temple in 70 AD is God’s affidavit that the end times prophecies in Matthew 24 were of God, the predictions that follow that one. It’s a watermark.

Most of the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah and the End Times, you’ll observe, are in the Bible because certain prophecies they uttered came to pass while they were still alive.

Like Moses and the plagues confirm his prediction of the taking of the evil lands of Canaanites and the prophecy about a later “Great Prophet”.
Jeremiah’s ending chapters are confirmed in the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem.

And so on. When the temple was destroyed in the exact manner Jesus said, the rest of the chapter is to be taken equally “literally”, or in a straightforward reading. Meaning, ye would “hear of” earthquakes, famines, pestilences, but hold on, that does NOT mean it’s the end times, rather, the end “is NOT yet” [my emphasis].

But it is always the time to repent, to ask the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your heart, cleanse you from all righteousness, and accept his gift of eternal life, paid for on the cross and signed by the Creator of life, death and the universe with the Resurrection.

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Immediately after the Tribulation

September 4, 2013

Read the details in the Word itself, get away from what men say. Whatever you want to call the end-time events, the “gathering together” –what we usually call the Rapture– occurs, as Jesus said in Matthew 24, “immediately after the Tribulation“.  That’s after the plagues of the trumpets of Tribulation occur.

While we are with Jesus, the vials of the period we call “The Wrath” are poured upon the Earth and the plagues of the vials of the wrath of God are poured out on the ones left on the surface of the Earth.

At the end of “The Wrath”, that’s when Jesus descends from Heaven with a shout and the saints with him, and defeats the armies of the Antichrist at Armageddon.

Some point to the virgins and try to say the parable of the 10 virgins is about who gets raptured at any time and who gets “left behind”.  I do agree like Daniel predicts, most Christians will be killed in the flesh and liberated from their earthly bodies during the Tribulation. After all, in Daniel it says the Antichrist “shall make war against the saints, and shall overcome them”.

Some have said that Post-Tribulation Rapture belief causes people to be asleep and not ready. Quite the opposite as you can see below. “Those who are asleep in the church” are the ones who think they will not have to face the hardship of the Tribulation,. Then they use escape from the Tribulation to sell Salvation too. My missionary work was part of the the most alert and awake movements that grew amont the Jesus People movements of the 1960s and 1970s. I myself have led dozens and maybe hundreds to the Lord in three Latin American countries and in the States.

“Be ye also ready”.

In fact, when Jesus said, “for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh”, he very well could have been talking about the any-minute pre-Trib Rapure, because just before that he said:

Too many Christian “scholars” have said Pre, so many have believed it:

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So be ye ready like the “goodman of the house”, as in “had known what watch the thief would come”, that’s when “he would have watched”. But so many Christians will have their house broken up by either (1) the surprise that ALL the saints were “left behind”, or (2) an even greater “falling away” from disillusionment by the ones who believed a false prophecy, or by the ones who thought they were saved and now think they are not.

 

The Rapture is a DIFFERENT EVENT from the SECOND COMING!


No kidding, if you mean the “gathering together” is different from the descent at Armageddon.

  In the Rapture no one but the Saved will know about it, like a thief in the night.


They’ll know about it (the Rapture) alright, at the end of the Tribulation, like Jesus said, just before the “parable of the fig tree”:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The “parable of the fig tree” represents the re-establishment of the geopolitical and quasi-heriditary nation of Israel, which would come before any of it but would lead into the generation that would see the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds.  This is probably before the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. “They that understand among the people shall instruct many”.

The Antichrists with the antichrists might very well tell the world that this is an alien invasion or something in fact.

  The Second Coming we will come with Jesus to set up his kingdom, and everyone on earth will see us coming and know their doom is upon them.  Jesus and his army will destroy all the works of the Devil at that time.  False teachers are in all the churches, just as all men have sinned.  You must study to see if these things are so as the Bereans did, you must not listen to false teachers.  Look it up yourself, do not read any preconceived things into it, do not believe any authority except the Bible itself.


I have studied this “like the Bereans”. We’ve been led to false doctrine (I was beforetimes myself once) by the Scofields and the Darbys and the Westcotts and the Horts. It might even be a doctrine of devils to get Christians to sleep through much of the Antichrist rule, just like they are right now with a lower-case “antichrist” in the White House… Huckabee would talk nice to him and lift him up if the big bad “O” ever went on his show. The guy could chip half the Christians in the country in their right hand and they might even think it’s okay because they can’t believe it’s Trib time.

More Post-Tribulation truth

April 16, 2013
English: photograph of Cyrus Ingerson Scofield...

English: photograph of Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (Scoundrel and deceiver of the gullible)

Hal Lindsey is trying to say that Sodom and Godmorrah were types of the coming Tribulation, because God took Lot and his family out before judgment.

“Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.”

But God does that, because although Jesus said we’d have tribulation, we do not get the worst of the plagues at the end of the three and a half year period of Tribulation.

The Hebrews were still in Egypt when the ten plagues hit, and then they were taken out. The prophets were still in Israel when it fell to Babylon. The priests (and the faithful) were still in Jerusalem when they believed the prophets enough to welcome Alexander and the troops to Jerusalem. He was so satiated by the prophecies he let them keep all their arms and legs and money. The Jewish Christian faithful –some of them– were still in Jerusalem when Rome came and scattered them all to everywhere else.

Sodom and Gomorrah, God had promised Abraham. Lot had a “righteous soul”. Their judgment and fire and brimstone was total, universal, not one soul left alive.

Some judgments, we get warnings. There will be refuges for some Christians even during the Tribulation. Not just the jungle.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

But here’s where we agree. For sure, the Lord WILL take us up BEFORE the worst of plagues. That’s what we call the Wrath of God.

First, the Tribulation. At the end of that, at the last trumpet, “Rapture”. Then the vials of the wrath of God are poured out upon the earth, the absolute worst of the plagues. With the last of those vials, that’s Jesus Christ and his saints with him on white horses visiting Armageddon on the Beast and his minions.

And even so, some will live through even the Wrath into the “Millenium”, the thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ.

All the verses are in context:

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

But when one of them declares something plainly, it’s best to go with that one:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The only way to dismiss Matthew 24 is to cut it out of the Bible if you’re a Gentile, like the 19th entry widows’ swindler and convicted embezzler Cyrus Scofield in America, and his contemporary, the hustler of spiritual intellectuals in the old staid kingdom of the British Empire, John Darby. John Darby hated the Bible so much he wrote his own Bible and called it a “translation”.

The two of them popularized the newly invented pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine on the two sides of the Atlantic.

The memo apparently didn’t make it to South Africa. An evangelist came to Miami once in the 1980s, and he said he never heard of such a thing as a pre-Tribulation Rapture until he came to the States. I’m sure the Americans have spread it more since then though, and history has been revised.

The one (two?) early-church quotes I’ve seen, rare as ken’s teeth, are ambiguous at best. And they don’t hold a candle to Paul’s own admonitions in the epistles that the day of of the Lord isn’t coming until the Son of Perdition is revealed first. Their talk would not have been about the Judgment, they’re looking for the Lord’s coming back.

There will be some places that serve as refuge during the Tribulation. He will set up in Israel, but even some players in the neighborhood

Daniel 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

Revelation 13 says all nations, tribes and languages, so that means it’s a UN-NWO thing, or its twin. But from Daniel 11 we see he has his hands full with international intrigues, conspiracies, and nations that don’t want to buckle.

They are probably planning on neutralizing the United States with a civil war and, according to more prophecies, on “restoring order” with help from other nations. The USA gets a dose of its own interventionist medicine, you might say, the most recent generations (of Christians, too) being led to war.

They will probably bring America down a few notches, they can sure create havoc with their fiat currency whip and their agents. But Americans are a rebellious bunch and will not fade away quietly.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The Ten Virgins Parable is NOT about the Rapture

April 4, 2013

Read the details carefully. Whatever you want to call these events, the “gathering together” –what we usually call the Rapture– occurs, as Jesus said in Matthew 24, “immediately after the Tribulation“. That’s after the plagues of the trumpets of Tribulation occur.

While we are with Jesus, then, the vials of the period we call “The Wrath” are poured upon the Earth and the plagues of the vials of the wrath of God are poured out on the ones left on the surface of the Earth.

At the end of “The Wrath”, that’s when Jesus descends from Heaven with a shout and the saints with him, and defeats the armies of the Antichrist at Armageddon.

The parable of the ten virgins and the oil and the bridegroom cannot point to a pre-Trib rapture. That would contradict the multitude of scriptures that state in plain English, clear language, that it is after the Tribulation.

“Those who are asleep in the church” are the ones who think they will not have to face the hardship of the Tribulation, and then they’re using escape from the Tribulation to sell Salvation too. Our missionary work was one of the most awake movements that grew from the Jesus People movements of the 1960s and 1970s, I myself having led dozens and maybe hundreds to the Lord in three Latin American countries and in the States. “Be ye also ready”.

In fact, when Jesus said, “for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh”, he very well could have been talking about the any-minute pre-Trib Rapure, because just before that he said:

Too many Christian “scholars” have said Pre, so many have believed it:

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So be ye ready like the “goodman of the house”, as in “had known what watch the thief would come”, that’s when “he would have watched”. But so many Christians will have their house broken up by either (1) the surprise that ALL the saints were “left behind”, or (2) an even greater “falling away” from disillusionment by the ones who believed a false prophecy, or by the ones who thought they were saved and now think they are not.

The Rapture is a different event from the “Second Coming” if you mean the (1) “gathering together” of Matthew 24 “immediately after the Tribulation of those days” is different from (2) the descent with a shout and with the saints at Armageddon.

The unsaved will know about the Rapture, like Jesus said:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The “parable of the fig tree” that follows the above passage represents the re-establishment of the geopolitical and quasi-Jewish-by-the-flesh nation of Israel, which would presage the events of the end times, and would lead into the generation that would see the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds. This is probably before the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. “They that understand among the people shall instruct many”.

The Antichrist with the antichrists might very well tell the world that this is an alien invasion or something in fact. After all, the Illuminati are already calling themselves with a new nickname: “Interplanetary guardians”.

I have studied this “like the Bereans”. Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a brand-spankin’ new doctrine as of the early 19th century. Kind of suspiciously coincides with the rise of the those “interplanetary guardians” as a new geo-political force, you might say.

We’ve been led to false doctrine (I was beforetimes myself once) by the Scofields and the Darbys and the Westcotts and the Horts. It might even be a doctrine of devils to get Christians to sleep through much of the Antichrist rule, just like they are right now with a lower-case “antichrist” in the White House… Huckabee would talk nice to him and lift him up if the big bad “O” ever went on his show. The guy could chip half the Christians in the country in their right hand and they might even think it’s okay because they can’t believe it’s Trib time.