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Immediately after the Tribulation

September 4, 2013

Read the details in the Word itself, get away from what men say. Whatever you want to call the end-time events, the “gathering together” –what we usually call the Rapture– occurs, as Jesus said in Matthew 24, “immediately after the Tribulation“.  That’s after the plagues of the trumpets of Tribulation occur.

While we are with Jesus, the vials of the period we call “The Wrath” are poured upon the Earth and the plagues of the vials of the wrath of God are poured out on the ones left on the surface of the Earth.

At the end of “The Wrath”, that’s when Jesus descends from Heaven with a shout and the saints with him, and defeats the armies of the Antichrist at Armageddon.

Some point to the virgins and try to say the parable of the 10 virgins is about who gets raptured at any time and who gets “left behind”.  I do agree like Daniel predicts, most Christians will be killed in the flesh and liberated from their earthly bodies during the Tribulation. After all, in Daniel it says the Antichrist “shall make war against the saints, and shall overcome them”.

Some have said that Post-Tribulation Rapture belief causes people to be asleep and not ready. Quite the opposite as you can see below. “Those who are asleep in the church” are the ones who think they will not have to face the hardship of the Tribulation,. Then they use escape from the Tribulation to sell Salvation too. My missionary work was part of the the most alert and awake movements that grew amont the Jesus People movements of the 1960s and 1970s. I myself have led dozens and maybe hundreds to the Lord in three Latin American countries and in the States.

“Be ye also ready”.

In fact, when Jesus said, “for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh”, he very well could have been talking about the any-minute pre-Trib Rapure, because just before that he said:

Too many Christian “scholars” have said Pre, so many have believed it:

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So be ye ready like the “goodman of the house”, as in “had known what watch the thief would come”, that’s when “he would have watched”. But so many Christians will have their house broken up by either (1) the surprise that ALL the saints were “left behind”, or (2) an even greater “falling away” from disillusionment by the ones who believed a false prophecy, or by the ones who thought they were saved and now think they are not.

 

The Rapture is a DIFFERENT EVENT from the SECOND COMING!


No kidding, if you mean the “gathering together” is different from the descent at Armageddon.

  In the Rapture no one but the Saved will know about it, like a thief in the night.


They’ll know about it (the Rapture) alright, at the end of the Tribulation, like Jesus said, just before the “parable of the fig tree”:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The “parable of the fig tree” represents the re-establishment of the geopolitical and quasi-heriditary nation of Israel, which would come before any of it but would lead into the generation that would see the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds.  This is probably before the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. “They that understand among the people shall instruct many”.

The Antichrists with the antichrists might very well tell the world that this is an alien invasion or something in fact.

  The Second Coming we will come with Jesus to set up his kingdom, and everyone on earth will see us coming and know their doom is upon them.  Jesus and his army will destroy all the works of the Devil at that time.  False teachers are in all the churches, just as all men have sinned.  You must study to see if these things are so as the Bereans did, you must not listen to false teachers.  Look it up yourself, do not read any preconceived things into it, do not believe any authority except the Bible itself.


I have studied this “like the Bereans”. We’ve been led to false doctrine (I was beforetimes myself once) by the Scofields and the Darbys and the Westcotts and the Horts. It might even be a doctrine of devils to get Christians to sleep through much of the Antichrist rule, just like they are right now with a lower-case “antichrist” in the White House… Huckabee would talk nice to him and lift him up if the big bad “O” ever went on his show. The guy could chip half the Christians in the country in their right hand and they might even think it’s okay because they can’t believe it’s Trib time.

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Biblical warring… / The natural family

July 10, 2013

Nothing wrong with a Bible warrior mentality, unless you’re thinking in the flesh and don’t understand metaphors. Biblical Christians fight against evil, lies, and the deceit of the devil, including the lies of those who call themselves Christians but violate the commandment to love their neighbors:

Ephesians 6:
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ever since the apostles and disciples spread the Good News, they have been “ministering” to the needs of the world by fighting disease, fighting starvation, fighting infanticide, fighting slavery, fighting genocide, with whatever material means they have on hand to do it, but also with the one gift that changes hearts and makes the other changes possible: salvation in the name of Jesus Christ.

Now, if “military Christianity” means the warmongers among Evangelical Christians in the United States, they deserve the moniker, especially the “leaders”. The worst among them doing disservice to the Gospel are the ones demanding that Christians should do something to stop Muslims, saying they’re out to convert or kill us all. Whether they are or not is irrelevant to what Christians should do.

Brother Andrew of “Open Doors Ministries” warned Christians against going to war in the MIddle East, because, he predicted at the time, it would be disastrous for the Christians who actually live there,

and it would badly hurt the testimony of love of those Christians who are in the best position to actually win them to the religion that preaches “God is love”. Even Mosab Hassan Yousef, “Son of Hamas“, was won after the repulsion of the treatment of Muslims with Muslims in prison and was won over by the love of Christ in the Word itself: “Love thine enemies“. Islam has nothing like this.

(2) The picture of the girl is fine. There is too much not-privacy on the Internet. Once your visage is out there, it’s no take-backs. Another pic is okay, but apparently the objection shows that she’s not doing it to hide herself. The prayerful position of the girl in the picture represents her. We can all learn a lesson about caution. We don’t have to make it easy for the NSA for when they start rounding up the “dangerous” Christians.

P.S. My Mom raised us four kids, God bless her, as a single Mom. Faults and all, I loved her and appreciate it. Some do this better than others, but good can come of it. The natural, nuclear family is the ideal and the standard by which all of them are best measured, and should emulate, as much as possible providing the upbringing a father and a mother would provide.

I gratefully remember my visits with my Dad, a very fine example of a Dad. But I also remember fondly one Marvin, a “father figure” who I guess was part of the “Big Brothers” program. He took me out to ball games, bowling, gospel concerts, did “Daddy stuff” with me, an adult male figure. Rest in peace.

Palestine, Israel, Darby, Scofield, Dispensationalism, Jews and Salvation

July 4, 2013
Deir Yassin after occupation by Jewish forces,...

Deir Yassin after occupation by Jewish forces, April 1948 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Palestine has been there for 2,000 years.

The Zionist guerrillas the Haganah and the Irgun and the Stern Gang “declared independence” in 1948 and battled the British, who quickly gave it up. The Irgun terrorized the Arabs with a strategically precision massacre in one or two small villages like at Deir Yassin where they did not leave even one woman or baby alive. Deir Yassin was strategically located for military and logistics reasons, and it did not matter to the Irgun, led by Begin, that the Arabs of Deir Yassin had declared their neutrality in the war between the Zionists and the Arab countries without, and had been a village that had been one of the friendliest to the Jews in what was ON THE MAPS at the time denoted as “Palestine”.

The Jews had wandered for about 1,900 years without a state, but now it’s the Palestinians –those are the Muslim and CHRISTIAN Arabs that have ancestral roots to Palestine. Many of them are Arabs that had properties and homes from generations before that they had to abandon in some cases, forced out, and in other cases fled in panic when they saw the massacres and saw that the Irgun terrorists were winning the battles. Western money and weapons flooded in for the Zionists, who had the advantage of advanced military training from the Western countries.

It’s also a religious state where Christians, especially Arab Christians, are treated as de facto second-class citizens. Jewish immigrants are immediately granted full citizenship status, defined as either offspring of a Jewish mother or certified as a bona fide religious Jew by some recognized rabbi. When Jewish immigrants become Christians, they have had to battle the state to retain their citizenship as Jews. “Messianic Jews”, meaning Jews who are self-identified Christians and recognize Jesus as the Messiah but follow the Torah and the Jewish customs, are despised culturally,

Jews for Jesus are especially scorned by the rabbis and politicians because (1) they enthusiastically witness to their Jewish neighbors about Jesus, and (2) they openly recognize that there is no special place for “Jewishness” in God’s eyes.

That’s one reason there is this “ecumenical” movement getting such strong support in the States. James Hagee has probably gotten millions in paybacks for his sycophantic preaching for the divine right of Jews to refuse Jesus. They want to tell Christians to witness to everybody else just not them.

The Jewish special-ness got started in the 19th century with John Darby in England and Cyrus Scofield in the States. Darby is sometimes called the “father of dispensationalism”. Darby hated the Bible so he rewrote it, with a text more bendable to promote dispensationalism. Divine right of Jewish ancestry.

Cyrus Scofield was a serial con man and womanizer with a series of divorces in his wake when it was culturally repugnant, but the most repugnant thing was he absconded with these rich women’s wealth, and refused to send child support for his own biological progeny. Finally he ended up in prison for embezzling in a bank of his employ.

Some group we know little about at the time supposedly “converted” him in prison, and set him up with Darby. Cyrus Scofield knew that Americans were still not so foolish as to deceived by a new “translation”, so he just rewrote the Bible by created copious notes in the margin that redefined the text to something else and created a labyrinth of verse cross-references that twisted the word to destructive deceit.

That’s how dispensationalism (and an incidental divine right-type destiny for Jews) got rewritten into the Bible. He divided up the Bible and said this part’s not for you, it was for the patriarchs. This other part is for you, but not for the Jews. This other part is for the Jews. Blah blah blah. Screwed up the timing of the “Second Coming” and everything.

So after Scofield, we got a series of commentators coming after that wrote basically the same things into the Bible and they started teaching it in seminaries (many of them “cemeteries”, where youth go to bury their faith).

And now, a “Fellowship of Christians and Jews”, where instead of obeying Mark 16:15 as in “first to the Jew”, they are learning how to be modern-day Jews!

“He that hath the Son hath life; he that hath not the Son hath not life; but the wrath of God abideth upon him”.–John 3:36.

To the Jews even the Old Testament prophets asked “Why will ye die?” and it is full of condemnations of the Jews for their sins. The state of Israel and the Muslim-dominated states nearby are cooperating on one thing at least: pretending that Palestinian Christians do not exist. They are un-persons in international Old Media.

But they do exist. God is ultimately in charge. His wheels of justice are slow but sure. David clearly recognized in one prayer that the wicked are “God’s sword”, meaning God uses them for judgment sometimes.

The hope for this world is in the Son of God, the Prince of Peace. Changing people one heart at a time. That’s why preaching at Muslims and this suicidal policy pushed by George Soros money of “duty to intervene” is not going to work for peace.

What’s going to work is the Brother Andrew approach: supporting the persecuted Christians already inside these countries. I have no doubt that the body of Christians in China has something to do with the thawing of tyranny there. Helping Hands Korea supports North Korean refugees in South Korea and in China, and I am sure he’s helping North Koreans inside their country (and not just Christians). I know this because I know the founder, worked with him in Phoenix for awhile. http://www.helpinghandskorea.org

That’s how the Roman Empire changed, how slavery ended in Europe after them, education spread.. One heart at a time…

Martin Luther and John Calvin: “Killers”?

July 2, 2013
Disputatio pro declaratione virtutis indulgent...

Disputatio pro declaratione virtutis indulgentiarum, 95 theses (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

This is in reply to this statement found on another web site I follow:  http://jamesjpn.net/

Luther, Calvin et al the supposed stalwarts of Protestant Christianity, are wolves in my opinion and the complete opposite of the apostle Paul. They were responsible for killing people AFTER their supposed conversion and break from Catholicism. They may not be Jesuit agents but they have walked right into the Devil’s schemes.

Calvin is known to have given his enthusiastic support for an execution for heresy in Geneva, in one case I know of. That’s just one. Calvinists are very adept at defending him and I won’t address that right now. The case of Martin Luther is not so simple.

If he supported the brutal suppression as reported, this would be another flaw. Some of the peasant actions were those of going into the churches that were built with their own contributions, in the clerical “theft by fraud” scheme of the penitence payments. They began destroying those evil idols that filled those buildings.

In my opinion, Martin Luther is partially or completely exonerated by Matthew 7:20, By their fruits ye shall know them. His was the pivotal moment, at great risk to himself, to expose the clerical autocracy. His opposition to the peasants uprising, by the way,  was based on a strange and unworkable hybrid of libertarianism and authoritarianism.

Libertarianism because he opposed the stealing and looting that the peasants were apparently saying was their right, and that only voluntary sharing of goods as in Acts 2 and Acts 4 was encouraged. Share your own voluntarily, but not someone else’s by force.

Authoritarianism because he invoked a misinterpretation of Romans 13 that is common to many. People forget to consider, even Martin Luther, that not all governments are “of God“, and not all government agents are “ministers of God”. If they are not “God’s ministers” (Rom 13:6), or “ministers of good”, they don’t qualify.

Also, the takeaway from Matthew 17 is that Jesus did not have much regard for any government taxation scheme. The children of tax collectors (the ones who tell you how much you have to pay in “tribute”) “are free”, he said, meaning that taxation is a form of “not free”, or “involuntary servitude”. Because the taxation deciders make sure of their own advantage in these schemes.

It usually holds though; David referred to “the wicked” as God’s sword, meaning God uses them to implement his judgements upon the people that are known by his name.

 

 

Man’s free will and salvation and God’s sovereignty

June 22, 2013
English: Resurrection of Christ

English: Resurrection of Christ (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

 

—A Calvinist said: “Are you saying that a man can come to faith in Jesus of his own free will apart from grace? Where do you find this in the Scripture?”

 

I don’t say that, because coming to faith in Jesus Christ, whether of his own free will or not, is accepting the grace of God by definition.

 

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

 

If I give you a free gift, you can take it or leave it. If you reject it, your loss. If you take it, and benefit from it, you cannot say you earned anything, you cannot say that you had anything to do with having that gift at all, because it was my doing and it was not your doing. And so with salvation.

 

God says, here’s salvation. Take it or leave it. Most people leave it. I do not claim to know how it works, but God does. “God is not a man, that he should lie”. We are created in God’s image, as sovereign deciders so to speak. The gift is for everyone, “whosoever will”.

 

If you concede that man has a free will that chooses salvation, but God is the one that chooses to put that will into his heart, this is a squishy deal. It is no better logic than to say that God chooses you for salvation because of the fact that you chose to receive the free gift.

 

It’s a mutually exclusive argument.

 

You can “accept” man’s free will in accepting salvation all you want to say you do, but then you contradict yourself by saying he made it impossible for them to accept salvation. Besides, you have to say that God decided to create the human race so he could throw the vast majority of them into hell, since he picks out some to save.

 

But then alas, that contradicts this verse that tells us the original purpose of hell:

 

Matt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

 

More Post-Tribulation truth

April 16, 2013
English: photograph of Cyrus Ingerson Scofield...

English: photograph of Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (Scoundrel and deceiver of the gullible)

Hal Lindsey is trying to say that Sodom and Godmorrah were types of the coming Tribulation, because God took Lot and his family out before judgment.

“Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.”

But God does that, because although Jesus said we’d have tribulation, we do not get the worst of the plagues at the end of the three and a half year period of Tribulation.

The Hebrews were still in Egypt when the ten plagues hit, and then they were taken out. The prophets were still in Israel when it fell to Babylon. The priests (and the faithful) were still in Jerusalem when they believed the prophets enough to welcome Alexander and the troops to Jerusalem. He was so satiated by the prophecies he let them keep all their arms and legs and money. The Jewish Christian faithful –some of them– were still in Jerusalem when Rome came and scattered them all to everywhere else.

Sodom and Gomorrah, God had promised Abraham. Lot had a “righteous soul”. Their judgment and fire and brimstone was total, universal, not one soul left alive.

Some judgments, we get warnings. There will be refuges for some Christians even during the Tribulation. Not just the jungle.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

But here’s where we agree. For sure, the Lord WILL take us up BEFORE the worst of plagues. That’s what we call the Wrath of God.

First, the Tribulation. At the end of that, at the last trumpet, “Rapture”. Then the vials of the wrath of God are poured out upon the earth, the absolute worst of the plagues. With the last of those vials, that’s Jesus Christ and his saints with him on white horses visiting Armageddon on the Beast and his minions.

And even so, some will live through even the Wrath into the “Millenium”, the thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ.

All the verses are in context:

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

But when one of them declares something plainly, it’s best to go with that one:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The only way to dismiss Matthew 24 is to cut it out of the Bible if you’re a Gentile, like the 19th entry widows’ swindler and convicted embezzler Cyrus Scofield in America, and his contemporary, the hustler of spiritual intellectuals in the old staid kingdom of the British Empire, John Darby. John Darby hated the Bible so much he wrote his own Bible and called it a “translation”.

The two of them popularized the newly invented pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine on the two sides of the Atlantic.

The memo apparently didn’t make it to South Africa. An evangelist came to Miami once in the 1980s, and he said he never heard of such a thing as a pre-Tribulation Rapture until he came to the States. I’m sure the Americans have spread it more since then though, and history has been revised.

The one (two?) early-church quotes I’ve seen, rare as ken’s teeth, are ambiguous at best. And they don’t hold a candle to Paul’s own admonitions in the epistles that the day of of the Lord isn’t coming until the Son of Perdition is revealed first. Their talk would not have been about the Judgment, they’re looking for the Lord’s coming back.

There will be some places that serve as refuge during the Tribulation. He will set up in Israel, but even some players in the neighborhood

Daniel 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

Revelation 13 says all nations, tribes and languages, so that means it’s a UN-NWO thing, or its twin. But from Daniel 11 we see he has his hands full with international intrigues, conspiracies, and nations that don’t want to buckle.

They are probably planning on neutralizing the United States with a civil war and, according to more prophecies, on “restoring order” with help from other nations. The USA gets a dose of its own interventionist medicine, you might say, the most recent generations (of Christians, too) being led to war.

They will probably bring America down a few notches, they can sure create havoc with their fiat currency whip and their agents. But Americans are a rebellious bunch and will not fade away quietly.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The Ten Virgins Parable is NOT about the Rapture

April 4, 2013

Read the details carefully. Whatever you want to call these events, the “gathering together” –what we usually call the Rapture– occurs, as Jesus said in Matthew 24, “immediately after the Tribulation“. That’s after the plagues of the trumpets of Tribulation occur.

While we are with Jesus, then, the vials of the period we call “The Wrath” are poured upon the Earth and the plagues of the vials of the wrath of God are poured out on the ones left on the surface of the Earth.

At the end of “The Wrath”, that’s when Jesus descends from Heaven with a shout and the saints with him, and defeats the armies of the Antichrist at Armageddon.

The parable of the ten virgins and the oil and the bridegroom cannot point to a pre-Trib rapture. That would contradict the multitude of scriptures that state in plain English, clear language, that it is after the Tribulation.

“Those who are asleep in the church” are the ones who think they will not have to face the hardship of the Tribulation, and then they’re using escape from the Tribulation to sell Salvation too. Our missionary work was one of the most awake movements that grew from the Jesus People movements of the 1960s and 1970s, I myself having led dozens and maybe hundreds to the Lord in three Latin American countries and in the States. “Be ye also ready”.

In fact, when Jesus said, “for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh”, he very well could have been talking about the any-minute pre-Trib Rapure, because just before that he said:

Too many Christian “scholars” have said Pre, so many have believed it:

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So be ye ready like the “goodman of the house”, as in “had known what watch the thief would come”, that’s when “he would have watched”. But so many Christians will have their house broken up by either (1) the surprise that ALL the saints were “left behind”, or (2) an even greater “falling away” from disillusionment by the ones who believed a false prophecy, or by the ones who thought they were saved and now think they are not.

The Rapture is a different event from the “Second Coming” if you mean the (1) “gathering together” of Matthew 24 “immediately after the Tribulation of those days” is different from (2) the descent with a shout and with the saints at Armageddon.

The unsaved will know about the Rapture, like Jesus said:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The “parable of the fig tree” that follows the above passage represents the re-establishment of the geopolitical and quasi-Jewish-by-the-flesh nation of Israel, which would presage the events of the end times, and would lead into the generation that would see the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds. This is probably before the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. “They that understand among the people shall instruct many”.

The Antichrist with the antichrists might very well tell the world that this is an alien invasion or something in fact. After all, the Illuminati are already calling themselves with a new nickname: “Interplanetary guardians”.

I have studied this “like the Bereans”. Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a brand-spankin’ new doctrine as of the early 19th century. Kind of suspiciously coincides with the rise of the those “interplanetary guardians” as a new geo-political force, you might say.

We’ve been led to false doctrine (I was beforetimes myself once) by the Scofields and the Darbys and the Westcotts and the Horts. It might even be a doctrine of devils to get Christians to sleep through much of the Antichrist rule, just like they are right now with a lower-case “antichrist” in the White House… Huckabee would talk nice to him and lift him up if the big bad “O” ever went on his show. The guy could chip half the Christians in the country in their right hand and they might even think it’s okay because they can’t believe it’s Trib time.

God’s love is the answer to everything

December 16, 2012

God never “tires of his Creation“. We are the only ones that can put him off with our own self-righteousness and refusal to accept his love.

There is nothing wrong with his design. His creation was perfect, and he gave man a chance with only ONE little bitty itsy bitsy teemy weeny rule, not to eat of the “tree of knowledge of good and evil“. We did not know what good versus evil was until Adam disobeyed, Mankind has been making a mess of the Creation ever since. It’s not God’s fault.

Now we all know.

Man is who messed up. Forget trying to look at him as “human”, no comparison. He never tires of us seeking him, and he can handle it all, after all he created the entire universe.

And by the way, “religion” has no “hold” on science. Just go do science yourself. The Amateur Scientist put NASA to shame when he proved their measurements wrong on one type of radiation with $300 worth of interferometer equipment.

In fact the father of modern science wrote more about Bible prophecy than he did about science.

About what God thinks, he knows our frame that we are but flesh and he gave us his Son to take the punishment for our sins. God is love and is “not willing that any should perish”. Jesus said he came not to bring condemnation to the world but salvation. “The law came by Moses but love and grace came by Jesus Christ.”

I don’t have to second guess God, he TOLD us everything we need to know in his loving book.

“Neither do I condemn thee”, and “go and sin no more”. What is sin? Violation of the two greatest commandments which embody the whole “law and the prophets”: LOVE.

King James Bible and Revelation 17:6

July 8, 2012
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The title page to the 1611 first edition of the Authorized Version Bible. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

In another venue, I ran across another misguided criticism of the King James Bible.

Somebody objected to the use of the word “admiration” describing John’s attitude in looking upon the Great Whore of Babylon.

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.- Rev 17:6

It’s amazing that so many people today who hardly know any Biblical languages think they can criticize the gigantic intellects of the KJB translators, who lived in a time where they were not distracted by hours of movies and TV programs and national sports competitions and World Cups, but learned those languages as children and continued through their academic careers.

The translators for the modern English translations, on the other hand, do have several years of language instruction behind them, but they still cannot compete with the fluency of those KJB scholars.

Almost none of the other English-language translations have that wording. They replace it with “great amazement”, “complete amazement”, “greatly astonished”, “marveled”, “great wonder”.

The mistake all these people are making is that they are trying to save the Bible from saying something wrong. The Bible has no need of this.

This is a mistake they also make in Revelation 13, when they put the mark of the Beast “on” the right hand or forehead. That’s because the first word listed in English as a translation for the word in Greek in almost all lexicons, is “on”. But the King James Bible translation committees knew their Koine Greek much better than today’s dumbed-down college graduates, and doctors in divinity. They realized that the “mark” was not external; the Greek word was for an incision, or a groove, a rut, something cut down into the skin.

A tattoo might partially fit that bill, but since the KJB scholars were actually fluent in their Greek and could compose prose and carry on casual conversations in it, they knew that the better fit in English is “in”.

Now we have this word “admiration” in Revelation 17:6. The modern translators want to save John (and their Bible) from any positive reaction in John to the Great Whore.

But that’s not necessary, in my opinion. As I write, I know of two opinions explaining John’s admiration. A fellow KJB Bible believer offered his interpretation, who agrees that God speaks with “one voice”, just as Paul wrote that he would have the church speak “with one voice”.

His belief is that John was admiring at the calamities this Whore would suffer from the judgments of God. I do not find that satisfactory.

Remember, John is not exactly perfect! Duh! See what we find in Revelation 19:10:

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

So what I think about this word “admiration” here is that John had a reaction that the rest of the chapter describes as almost universal on the Earth.

It’s not a stretch. We see today in the United States all across the country, especially every July 4th, there are evangelicals, Baptists, Christians of all doctrines, who speak of how much they admire the “exceptionalism” of the United States. They hold her up as nation “chosen by God”, and repeat the mantra that it is a “Christian nation“, despite the fact that she has forgotten God, and is backslidden, and has become a proselytizer of wickedness, and just like the Great Whore, has dazzled the world through the sorceries of her media and entertainment.

See, it is too easy to admire the United States, and the products of its culture and its materialism. Even among those who complain the most about it, who enjoy the abundance of its riches, will lament its demise when it goes.

Certainly God “setteth up one, and putteth down another”, and He most assuredly blessed the nation for the Christian core of its culture and life at its founding. But it is no longer. It is no longer Christian any more than the Israel of Ahab and Jezebel was godly.

I think John was quite likely overcome in the hypnotic dazzle of the effect of this Great Whore, and we see in the very next verse that the messenger of God gently brings him back to reality:

Rev 17:7  And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

This is actually one of the greatest strengths of the KJB: these men of God revered the Word so much that they just translated the word “as is” without trying to guess at what it “really” meant in their own minds. Instead of making a best guess at the Hebrew word for “behemoth”, which they did not know, they transliterated it. No “hippo”, no “rhino”, none of that. Now we understand he was talking about a dinosaur.

“Wherefore didst thou marvel?” Not quite a rebuke, and using the word “marvel” instead of “admire” now to reduce the sting. “God knoweth our frame”, and he is quick to understand and forgive much worse.

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.- Isaiah 55:7

 

Sabbath commandment? How about the Love commandment? Works religion vs. Grace

June 9, 2012
English: Resurrection of Christ

English: Resurrection of Christ (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Jesus violated the rules and regulations set down in the laws of Moses over and over again, and the Pharisees used the Sabbath over and over to condemn even his good works, and picking corn on the Sabbath to eat. Gleaning corn on the Sabbath so you can eat another day –which you did because you broke the Sabbath laws that told you to pick your Sabbath corn the day before– is comparable to taking a job where you have to work on the Sabbath to get your paycheck.

If the Sabbath is or was at an end, there is no good reason to believe that not one of the disciples or even Paul had the guts to come right out and say that the Sabbath day God created was at an end. None of them ever did or taught this and all of them were murdered save John.
Why don’t we see in Revelation woe unto those who keep the false seventh day Sabbath instead of the right one the catholic church made?
 Instead we see the opposite in Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


It’s amazing how works religions push for the commandments they can handle. But the most important commandments given both in the tablets handed to Moses and from the mouth of Jesus Christ, are the ones nobody talks about when they talk about how you have to keep the law:

Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,

36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

IF you don’t keep those two commandments, which are MUCH more important than the Sabbath, then you deserve hell fire and brimstone as much as any Sabbath-violator or Sunday observer, for violating God’s commandments.

That’s why when the rich man came to him in Matthew 10 asking what he should do to have eternal life. It was a lesson to us. Jesus’ response was to list the easier commandments and ask if he had kept them: no “adultery, Do not kill, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and thy mother”.

Check. Check. Check. Check. Check. He kept those all his life. Maybe Jesus left out the Sabbath because he knew something about this young man.

So Jesus pointed to the one commandment he could not keep, to love the Lord thy God with all thy might, and thy neighbor as thyself.

What good is the Sabbath if you break the two greatest commandments every day all day? We all break those two commandments constantly.

Which brings us to Jesus Christ for the redemption of sins.