W-V Re: Is The King James Bible Double Inspired?

May 12, 2016

Sowing Discord: Modern versions, all of them, are divisive ,and have sown discord in the Church of Christ since Westcott and Hort. So that is a lie and a false accusation,. The Church used to be united under one book of the Scriptures; the modern “versions” ended that. Tell us, can we read aloud the Word of God in a congregation today, as one? Or is the Monarch of all books missing?:


And imagine that, some of the “originals-only” (and now we have an “any version-and not just any one only” guy) advocates, they accuse KJBO defenders as being divisive.

There are a few “infiltrators” who knew what they were doing who just waited until they could claim to have a majority consensus view that the KJB is not good enough anymore. Then they started calling us divisive.

Scofield wasn’t “divisive” exactly. He was sneaky like a snake, using the KJB because Christians then were not so dumbed down yet.

(Judges 17:6) In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.


There’s more in that verse that most understand, I’ve seen. I didn’t understand it fully before. They “did what was right in his own eyes” because they had left off trying to fully follow the word in their hearts.

They were leaving off having the word in their hearts, that’s why they sought a king instead of God, and instead of searching the scripture, and trusting God and asking him for wisdom to seek out godly counsel. So they got a government of men instead of God and his word and now we know how that turned out!

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Bereans: more noble to search the scriptures “to see if these things be so”

May 2, 2016

Hi,

Respectfully, you’re still ignoring my primary point… which is again… your point of view supported by what greater scholars have gotten out of the scriptures is balanced out by what other greater scholars have said that is different.


You may have gotten the idea that I ignored the “greater scholars”, but there is a good reason: the “greatest scholars” are going to open up the perspective to how to reason from the scholars for yourself. Sometimes I refer to scholars to clarify historical misunderstandings that are taught at corrupted Establishment seminaries (or as some of us call them, “cemeteries”).

Arguing from scholars is an argument from authority. If you “search the scriptures” like the Bereans, this is “more noble” than just arguing from authority. That’s why Luke wrote that.

You can’t dismiss that as “private interpretation” as if your own is not the same.


The scripture says that no prophecy is of “private interpretation” for a reason. It means the scripture is not ambiguous. Some things it does not address, but when it says something, it’s one thing. No “relative truth” here, just absolute truth.

You and those you agree with don’t own God’s mind or have a patent on interpreting It in the scriptures.

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That’s why I keep pointing to the Bereans, who “searched the scripture”.

The Bible is not a simple set of elementary math tables memorized in second grade.


No it’s not, but if it makes a mathematical assertions, you can believe it. “Not one jot or tittle” shall pass until “all be fulfilled”.

I don’t know why you feel the need to deny others their right to interpretation.


I’m obviously not denying anybody anything. I quoted scripture. Scripture trumps Augustine, Thomas Aquinus, C. S. Lewis, and what it says trumps me. I’ve reported what it says and why. I would only say that if anybody contradicts scripture, they’re wrong.

You can find some detail in parsing out the Bible verses on the subject of the “Rapture” (among other subjects) at my blog at www.truebook.wordpress.com.

Are you Catholic?

I only ask because I haven’t known any Catholics closely and the most negative encounters I’ve had online were recent and with Catholics. — With one condemning me for reading the Bible in the first place —- which was rather stunning and why I bring it up now…. I can’t believe a believer would condemn someone in such strong terms for the idea an individual should read the Word of God…


I’m sorry if you think this is a “negative encounter”, I have not meant it so, and note that I try my best to avoid any insults or even ad hominem arguments. Arguments from authority from the Bible are good, though. And I am not Catholic.

I believe I referred earlier to the King James Bible. That should be a clue, since that was the Bible the Jesuits planned to prevent with their own Gunpowder Plot. They planned to blow up the Parliament building while King James was speaking there, and they were stopped by one of God’s “coincidences”.

I have referred you and other readers to scriptures to show how they lead me to believe the doctrines that I share with others like the (scriptural) fact that Jesus returns and gathers us together “immediately after” the “tribulation of those days”, that was “spoken of by Daniel the Prophet”. Those three quoted phrases come from Matthew 24, and the sentence is directly and syntactically a logical consequence of what Jesus Christ said, and it is in context.

Note that scripture is understood in steps. Paul spoke of the milk and meat of the word. Isaiah spoke of getting to understand God’s word “line upon line, precept upon precept”.

Line upon line, precept upon precept: How to understand prophetic scripture

April 30, 2016

The “falling away” and the “rapture” verses are not isolated pieces. Bible scripture is interpreted by taking as one unit (1) the quoted scripture itself as stated (not more, not less), (2) the immediate scriptural context, (for example the surrounding and preceding and following chapters), (3) the more general context beyond that, and (4) subject-related scripture found elsewhere in the Bible.

But it’s also (4) “line upon line, precept upon precept”, first learn the milk and then the meat, lest one chokes.

From the milk scriptures you get the most important truths about salvation, the holy spirit, faith, eternal life, and so on.

Jesus said no one knows they hour or the day. Not exactly. But since about two thirds of the Bible is prophecy, and half of that is “end-times” prophecy, we are given a massive treasure of information about it. We are even given an unmistakeable seven-year time line in Daniel 9.

No one knows the hour or the day. Jesus knew at that time that some of us would be able to discern the event that begins that seven-year period Daniel spoke about when it happens. Jesus used the present tense at the time also. Part of “line upon line” and “precept upon precept” learning is being able to distinguish such nuances.

Not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law till all be fulfilled. That of course would include the prophets that proved “true” by virtue of the “formula” in the laws of Moses. If the prophet and prophecy glorify God, and the prophecy comes true without one failing, you have a true prophet of God.

That’s why among the prophets that appear in scripture, most of them uttered prophecies that came to pass in their lifetime or shortly afterward. Daniel is an especially relevant one.

The scripture in Daniel is a “key” that opens a better understanding to the events in Revelation, with further understanding coming from the lines and precepts in other “end-times” passages.

A 10 year old boy sang this song until the kidnapper let him go!

April 9, 2016

A 10 year old boy sang this song to his kidnapper until the culprit got sick of it and let him go! 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72qWEq3oPIY

More pre-Tribulation arguments

April 9, 2016

The set of verses that clearly point to saved Christians being on earth in the Tribulation also mesh well together.

Daniel, Revelation, Thessalonians, Corinthians, Matthew, the other Gospels, Ezekiel, some of the minor prophets, they all mesh into a tapestry that clearly lines up the Rapture happening after the trumpets of Tribulation and preceding the period of the vials full of Wrath.

It’s arithmetic and “rightly dividing the word of God”. There are periods counted of days, weeks, months, years (times), specific incidents “in the midst of the week”, after which you get troubled times, signs leading up to it all, and in Daniel those that “understand among the people shall instruct many” and those that “do know their God” shall “do exploits”.

There are also signs in the descriptions of those days that imply that God’s children may be protected in a special way, not just the 144 thousand.

Pre-trib teachers tell us repeatedly that post-Tribulation is a “new” thing. I have had discussions in which I point to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5 where Paul says otherwise way back then and they come back and repeat that.

Repetition is not an argument against my response to the previous iteration of the same statement. PAUL HIMSELF said to STOP saying that the Lord will come any minute because that day shall NOT come until that man of PERDITION shall be revealed. Obviously meaning it’s not until after that. By the way, it makes most sense that it’s “in the midst of the week”, or maybe after. And that makes me think that though scripture does not say it will be public, this passage that the Antichrist will be revealed first (Thess) in my opinion implies a public pact.

And then they say God won’t let his children go through Tribulation because he said we are not appointed unto wrath. When I point out that there is a period of Tribulation followed by the Rapture followed by a period of worse plagues of Wrath, they just repeat what they said before.

Some of them will ask for scripture and actually consider it. I did, Kent Hovind did, other pastors and scholars and saints do.

He separated them out after Egypt had their fill of plagues. Not until. Your example bounces back like a rubber ball.

—Then they refer to the plagues of Egypt to say that God told Pharaoah to let my people go. This is a strange reference for the pre-Tribulation argument because the Israelites were still in Egypt during those plagues.

I have already answered the Egyptian plagues issue, before.

Repetition will get us in circles. Dizzy.

I have been saturated with pre-Tribulation doctrine from my youngest days in my Dad’s preaching in the Pentecostal church he pastored. A doctrine that denomination and another he co-founded declares in their doctrinal statements. It saturates the Christian radio networks and the biggest mega-church pastors and televangelists with prophecy programs. And reviews of the Left Behind series, plus a couple of the based-on movies.

I’ve heard all the arguments all my life and still do and have heard nothing new or convincing lately on that side. It only took a few scriptures to convince me otherwise. Among other things, I’ve seen very few attempts to respond to many of the scriptures I shared.

The Bereans were more noble.

My view changed on this and on several other doctrines under the weight of scripture.

I have continued with this mostly because many have not been able to see this perspective elsewhere, or not much, or have not thought about it. There is a reason that this view is spreading among the strongest Genesis-to-Revelation believers, among those that search the Scriptures.

Consider that from the same side of the fence there was an accusation it is new (it is not as seen in 1 Th 5:4, which also addresses the any-second now view), and at the same time it is accused of being as old as the Jesuit order. Actually it is as old as Daniel 9 and Daniel 11.

When is the “Rapture”

April 4, 2016

Well, this post is mostly to clear up the confusion of the “post-millenialists”.

Daniel obviously refers in 9:27 to a contiguous seven-year period. That lines up with “time, times and half a time” as we all know. This time period is repeated half a dozen times in scripture so as to be clear about it.

I say “contiguous” because “in the midst of the week” is when the AC breaks the covenant and sets up the “abomination that maketh desolate spoken of by Daniel the prophet” and THAT is the link between Daniel 9:27 and Matthew 24. Jesus said explicitly that THAT act starts off “The Tribulation”. So YES it’s hard to fathom I know but man oh man God help us be ready for worse.

Jesuits today, and their dark master the new usurper coup-installed (in my opinion) socialist Anti-Pope, are delighted to see so-called “anti-Jesuits” put the Antichrist so far in the past, because that takes them off the hook for the plans they have for us, in cahoots or in sync with the other dark societies.

So associating the stoning of Stephen, and the Roman destruction of the temple, both, as within the Last Week of Daniel does not compute.

Both the Mark and The Bomb would make it worse than anytime in history. The Hiroshima bomb and the Nagasaki wiped out a minority Christian community, but they were the biggest Christian populations in Japan in those days.

Bitcoin looks like an anti-government thing, which is why some libertarians embrace it, but it may be a Trojan horse to get people accustomed to an embedded “wallet ID” that connects to the Web. Sweden has announced plans to convert to 100 percent electronic currency in only five years. Central bankers are publicly discussing it.

At anarcho-capitalist web news portal www.lewrockwell.com and economics web site www.mises.org there are few “Austrian school economists”-* who are sort of predicting both a move to pure e-currency (my term for it) because that way they have control and access to 100% of our bank accounts. That way they can also go into negative interest rates to help them keep the green paper pig and its cohorts from inflating (devaluating) out of control.

*-Austrian economists are associated with free market economics, and they show how socialist and Keynesian (print more paper pigs!) economists destroy prosperity. Like what David said.

World geopolitics today line up with what you would expect for leading into the prophecies of Ezekiel 33-34 and 38-39, and Daniel, and Matthew 24 (and its gospel counterparts), 2 Thessalonians, 2 Corinthians, and Revelations.

Post-Tribulation, Pre-Wrath

March 30, 2016

On 3/27/16 4:03 PM, j.alvarez4jesus [whichversion] wrote:

“You’re the one who protested that God is not a wife beater as if he would not allow his children to suffer persecution in this life.”

Uh, no. I protest God is not a wife beater as if GOD isn’t going to persecute His children. Man can, sure, but not God. Otherwise, He would literally be a wife beater.


If you think that no Christian has ever suffered under any punishment meted out on any wicked people in all history, you are sore deceived.

“Since when has he saved his people from all natural disasters, or even all the consequences of the natural disasters that we call “acts of God”?”

Who’s “we”? I certainly don’t call natural disasters “acts of God”. And there is no scripture (in our dispensation – Ephesians 3) that you can point to that blames God for natural disasters.


That’s a figure of speech. It’s English. Go look it up. Aare you guys saying that NO CHRISTIAN EVER IN HISTORY HAS EVER SUFFERED FROM A JUDGMENT OF GOD LIKE AN EARTHQUAKE, A PLAGUE, A DROUGHT, OR OTHER NATURAL DISASTERS??!!

Or ANY judgment of any kind on any people? Can you guarantee that? The Tower of Siloam? Blind from birth not for any sin? The Black Plague, no Christian died?

Post-tribulation, pre-wrath. Sure the worst plagues are reserved for after the Tribulation. The Tribulation ends at the last trump when the saints are gathered together to meet the Lord. The cups of the wrath of God are poured out on the other in the few days after that. The Wrath ends with the last vial poured out, which is at the Battle of Armageddon.

“I never said the saints would be the target of the Tribulation, but Jesus indeed did say (Mat. 24)”

No, He didn’t. He never said we would go through THE Tribulation. THE tribulation is not a Biblical title of this 7 year period coming up. He said, “ Immediately

after the tribulation of those days” (Matthew 24:29). This period is never called THE tribulation as a title, but this verse is referring to tribulation as a description “of those days”. You’re being unscriptural for labelling this time period THE tribulation (as if it were the only tribulation the world ever experienced, which it isn’t). Jews in the Old Testament experienced “tribulation”. Christians today (and in the past, who could not have already gone into this time period, because it hasn’t come yet) experience “tribulation”. Just do a simple word study of “tribulation” to see what I’m talking about. Just because there’s tribulation in those days and Christians go through tribulation doesn’t at all mean or imply that we are actually going to go through “those days”. The Biblical title for this time period is NOT THE tribulation, but something else, “Alas!

for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.” (Jeremiah 30:7). That’s the Biblical title for it. So, no, Jesus did not say we would go through THE tribulation, and there would be no point for the body of Christ to be going through the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble.

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I’m the one who had to point out that many saints have gone through tribulations, and Jesus said “Ye SHALL have…”

Your repeating of the phrase “those days” shows that you did not read the passage carefully, like I assume you do with the scriptures that promise God will preserve his Word.

In Matthew 24:15 Jesus refers to “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:”. In the next few verses he tells about what happens, flee to the mountains and all that. Why? Because, he says, Matthew 24:21:

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


(Daniel 9:25-27, and Daniel 12:1)
So, when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place… THEN shall be great tribulation. And not only that, Jesus Christ made sure we understood that THAT is when the greatest tribulation ever would happen, spoken of by Daniel the prophet.

But:
The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him. — Nahum 1:7

“That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.-Matthew 5:45”

Um, neither the sun nor rain is God’s wrath. In fact, both are blessings. The sun is obviously a good thing. If you don’t believe me, just shut yourself in a closet in total darkness for one day. Rain is also a blessing. God waters your plants for you. There is nothing here about saved Christians going through God’s wrath. In fact, Paul said, “For God hath not appointed us to wrath…” (1 Thessalonians 5:9). For you to suggest otherwise is to go against scripture. Oh, and Matthew 5 isn’t written to blood bought Christians, since we are already children of the Father and have no need of further Catholic “purification” to become children, “For

ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:26).


Really. You missed the point of the verse of course. There’s plenty more to make the point. Time and chance happeneth to them all”.

“God saved Noah and his family through the time of the Flood, not from the Flood.”

Well then you’re quite ignorant of scripture and just plain English. To “save” something means to rescue it or keep it from something else. It does not mean to put something through evil. That would be to destroy. By the plain fact that God SAVED Noah (as shown in the following verses) proves that Noah was kept FROM the flood. There was not one drop of the water of God’s wrath that touched Noah. God didn’t just give him swimming lessons, He saved Noah FROM the waters (floods) by placing Him in an ark of safety. Oh, and on a related note, we as Christians are not saved to go through God’s wrath, but we are saved FROM the wrath of God, “Much

more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:9). “By

faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.” (Hebrews 11:7). “And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;” (2 Peter 2:5). Besides, this “point” is moot since we as the body of Christ are not Noah.


Semantics. You ignored the obvious fact that I would know the Biblical version of the Flood, instead of addressing the point. Enoch was spared going through the Flood in the pre-trib sense, but Noah’s family was protected IN and DURING the Flood rains.

God is just as capable of protecting his church here on the Earth FROM the events of Tribulation as he was Noah from the Flood, even as he raptures the saints out –in view of all, it says, “Every eye shall see him”– before the worst plagues of the vials of the wrath of God.

“Saints of God since the beginning of time have suffered cancer, floods, drought, accidents, falls, drowning of boats and ships, plagues, freezing, attacks by beasts, anything you can name for sure. I’ve known some saints myself who are with the Lord after such experiences.”

Sure. Absolutely. But cancer, floods, drought, accidents, falls, drowning of boats and ships, plagues, freezing, attacks by beasts, and anything I can name for sure, do not come as God’s wrath on a saved Christian. For you to believe that it is God who unleashes His wrath (not just allows to happen, but actually unleashes His wrath) on blood bought forgiven Christians is to go against the character of God. “That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).


OF COURSE these “natural disasters” don’t happen to the saints as God’s wrath, and that is EXACTLY my point, because they are examples that show that the use of that kind of language to reject Paul’s admonitions to not say “any minute now” until the man of sin is revealed (Thess) and he places the abomination that maketh desolate in the holy place (Matthew 24), because THEN shall begin the greatest tribulation of all time (Matthew 24) and, then, AFTER the Tribulation of ‘those days’ that Daniel the prophet spoke of, THEN the saints will be gathered to him in the air.

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GOD’S WORD PROMISES THAT THE SAINTS WILL SUFFER UNDER THE ANTICRHIST REIGN:
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.–Revelation 13:7

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;-Daniel 7:21”

Sure. Saints will suffer the antichrist’s reign. But it can’t be us as Christians for two reasons:
For God to PROMISE that THE saints WILL suffer under the Antichrist, and if the “saints” here are Christians, then that would make God is a liar. This is because THE Christian saints in the past who died before the antichrist has even come DIDN’T suffer the reign of the antichrist. Thus, these “saints” cannot be part of the body of Christ. Second, “saints” doesn’t always refer to Christians in the Bible. It sometimes refers to Jewish believers apart from our current “dispensation

of the grace of God” (Ephesians 3:2). “Gather

my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.” (Psalm 50:5). Obviously, this isn’t a reference to Christians who rely on Christ’s sacrifice, but to Jewish believers in God who performed animal sacrifice in the Old Testament to be right before God. “Saint” simply means someone who is saved, or righteous before God. After the rapture happens, there will be a dispensational change back to the Mosaic Old Testament ways of being saved (with the exception of Christ as the fulfillment of all animal sacrifice). Don’t believe me? Just look at Jesus’ own words concerning this coming 7 year Time of Jacob’s Trouble, “But

pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For

then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matthew 24:20-21). Christians aren’t commanded to celebrate the sabbath (Colossians 2:16). Jews in the Old Testament did. These are the saints of the future Time of Jacob’s trouble: Jacob, Israel, the Jews who believe on Christ.

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Now you’re falling back on the Scofield dispensations confusion, as if God treats Jews and Christians differently. You’re forgetting the straightforward language of figures of speech. The idea was that it would be a day you would have to flee far from some places.

He also said that the Tribulation of “those days” would be the very tribulation that Daniel spoke about, and that “immediately AFTER” would be that gathering together.

Darby and Scofield have caused such an adulteration of the Word that you even have difficulty understanding how to understand my sentences, and parsing the logical construction in the scriptures.

“And after Jesus gave the signs of the end, and spoke of the Tribulation in Matthew 24, he went on to Matthew 24:33, where he said in this PRIVATE class to his DISCIPLES ONLY (See verse 1)

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.-Matt 24:33

When YE shall see ALL these things…”

You are correct. Except for the fact (again) that this coming time period isn’t called THE tribulation. But regardless, yes, Jesus spoke in private to His disciples. But that doesn’t mean He was talking to Christians. This is because Christians can only exist after Jesus has died on the cross. One scriptural proof that the disciples weren’t Christians yet (but still only JEWISH believers in God) is Jesus’ own statement to Peter, “But

I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” (Luke 22:32). None of the disciples were converted or became Christians until Christ died on the cross. Thus, what Jesus told to His disciples in Matthew 24 was not to Christians, but to Jewish believers still under the law of Moses. Are you a Jewish believer under the law of Moses? No, thus you aren’t as a Christian going under that time period.


There you go again with the Jew-Christian confusion. The OT scriptures “spoke of me”, Jesus said. Among a great many other scriptures, Paul wrote in Hebrews 11 about how the faith of the OT prophets in God’s grace (not their own righteousness of works) was the same faith in God’s grace through Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ himself MOCKED those Jews that were the most holy of all under the laws of Moses that you seem to think he held in such high esteem over God’s love. Ha, he said, you claim to follow the Law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Here is a good one for dispensations:

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.–John 3:36

The Jews lost that “kingdom of God” –in the “Jewish” gospel– because they did not show the fruits of faith. (Matthew 21:43)

“And then he warns against false prophets. In my view that includes Cyrus Scofield, the Bible perversions of Darby, and who hated the Bible and preferred the “better” interpretations.”

Why would Scofield be a false prophet? I have no doubt Darby was with His edited Bible, but Scofield? Every indication of what I’ve studied about him seems to be that of a saved man. And why shouldn’t we prefer better interpretations over worse ones? I don’t get it.

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His hating the Bible of the day is evidence, and teaching subterfuge to the pastors of the day to prefer the “better” interpretations while pretending to adhere to the KJB.

That is enough to show spiritual kinship with the Pharisees. jesus called them “liars” and that’s a good word for somebody who says “Hath God said KJB? Nay, I say unto you, he said something else”. It means something else, the Greek says this, the Hebrew says that, blah blah.

So don’t call Scofield prophet. Doesn’t matter. He’s no more prophet than the ones Jeremiah called “false prophets”. His prophecy “interpretation” was certainly flawed and has confused a multitude of Christians and saints and Messianic Jews.

“Jesus said “By their fruits ye shall know them”. The Pharisees were oh so holy and rebuked Jesus and the disciples for violating the minor points of the law and their own traditions. They strain at gnats and swallow camels. I suggest you follow Jesus’ admonition in Luke 9:50 “And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.” Which was the Lord’s response to verse 49 “And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.”

Except these professional posties are against us. They are against Jesus’ imminent return and commonly Jesuit agents for the Vatican.


My point there was to accompany the point that it is not good to strain at gnats and swallow camels in the matter of doctrines of salvation vs. the timing of the Tribulation.

I know that the pre-Tribulation rapture will cause some doubt and falling away among some weaker vessels as events unfold, but I’m just glad that believers have received eternal life.

“”He shall be saved out of it” (Jer 30:7) is not enough to say it is a gathering together and catching up in the clouds, especially since that would contradict the promises that the saints will be on the earth during the Antichrist rule and his persecution and that he will overcome them.”

Huh? When did I ever say that referred to Christians? I didn’t. In fact, my whole point was that this is a time period for Jewish people. Yes, “he shall be saved out of it” is talking about the end. But it’s for “Jacob”, not the church.


There is part of the problem here. Saints are saved sinners. How much more can one be a “saint” than one who is covered by the righteousness of Christ? And how can someone who hath not the son of God be a “saint”? Because Jesus himself said “the wrath of God abideth upon him”. That the kingdom of God is taken from them. We are grafted in but they cut themselves off. They are dead branches on the forest floor. The best candidates for being “saints” according to the Dispensation thing, today, they proudly but quietly acknowledge among themselves that they are the “spiritual heirs” (their own words) of the Pharisees.

The believing Jews of Jesus’ day, the ones who did believe, they were the spiritual heirs of Abraham by faith the same as us. The temple was rent in twain to show that the spirit of God had departed from the Ark, and that being of the circumcision of the flesh, even as OT prophet Ezekiel had written, was completely worthless without a circumcision of the heart.

Some of the Jews will come to Christ during the Tribulation, and since God cares for his children, he will keep “those that understand among the people” around so that “they can instruct many” and “they that do know their God” during these troubled times “will do exploits”.

“And now a specific number of days that refers to the three and a half years of the Tribulation after the Beast breaks the “holy covenant” in Daniel 9:27.
“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.+ – Daniel 7:25”

Except it’s not THE tribulation (once again). I urge you to reconsider and repent of your heresy. You believe that God is going to pour out wrath and judgement on His bride. You believe God is a wife beater. I don’t, and neither does the King James Bible. That’s why I’m pre-TOJT, and why you should be as well.

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I told you. Listen carefully this time.
POST-Tribulation, PRE-Wrath. And wife beater? When did you stop beating yours?

I’ve posted about a hundred verses, and scripture excerpts from all over the KJB Bible, from the perspective that God hath no respect of persons, and Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever, during the OT and during the NT and after the NT and on through the New Heaven and the New Earth.

He is no fool who gives a life he cannot keep for a love he will never lose.

March 22, 2016

He is no fool who gives a life he
cannot keep for a love he will
never lose.

Whatever this life and this world have to offer, it’s only for a little while. But salvation, souls, and service for the Lord are forever; they are eternal. “And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever” (1 John 2:17). “For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal” (2 Corinthians 4:18).

Moses esteemed the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt, which could have been his, because he looked to the reward (Hebrews 11:26). He looked beyond his day and all of its problems and temptations and saw Jesus. He had an eye on eternity and its great rewards, and counted the riches of Christ greater than all the riches of Egypt, the richest, most powerful nation on earth in that day, of which he could have been pharaoh (Hebrews 11:24-27).

If we pay the same price and make the same sacrifices, we too can look forward to eternal rewards and everlasting glory. By giving our all to the Lord, we are going to receive so much more. What a small price to pay for all we’re getting in return!

The secret of calm and peace

February 28, 2016

The secret of calm and peace and
rest and patience and love is
resting in the Lord.

Jesus said, “Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take
My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest
for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light” (Matthew 11:28-30).

Jesus promises that His yoke will be easy and His burden light, but there’s one condition: “Come
to Me.” When you are wearied with the strain of it all, you can fly to Jesus on the wings of
prayer and faith and get the relief that He alone can give you. He knows what you need most of
all: rest and peace and fellowship with Him, and feeding on His Word.

“And you will find rest for your souls.” Not many people understand that a soul is both body and
spirit. If you don’t rest in the Spirit, you are going to wear out your body.

Take His yoke on you—not the yoke of this world or your own yoke, but the yoke of Jesus’ own
love and His burden of love for others.

Live in the Word.

February 22, 2016

Live in the Word.

The Bible is a very deep book. Read it and you will find a continual revelation of more and greater truth. In fact, you’ll find that the Bible is such an enormous study and so fascinating and so deep and so broad that it is, as the prophet Ezekiel said, “waters to swim in” (Ezekiel 47:5 KJV). So, dive in and swim! Revel in the depths of His Word—the refreshing water of the Word that will feed your soul, strengthen your body, renew your mind, lift your spirit, encourage your heart, and purify your whole being.

You should hunger for the pure milk of the Word, just like a newborn baby hungers for his mother’s milk (1 Peter 2:2). There is a saying about health: “You are what you eat.” That’s just as true of your spirit: You are spiritually what you read or take in by other means. So be sure you’re getting the right spiritual food—the good, wholesome, nourishing, uplifting, encouraging, inspiring, feeding truth of the Word of God. God will bless you as you take in His Word.

(Prayer:) Help us, Jesus, to remember what King David said about Your Word: The secret to being blessed in all we do is living in Your Word night and day (Psalm 1:2-3). Help us to do that. Amen.