KJB Clarifications: Answers to Questions

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Rich Wendling says he doesn’t understand why anybody would be KJBO and he asks some questions in his blog:

Theological Positions I Don’t Understand, Part 1:

http://richwendling.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/theological-positions-i-dont-understand-part-1/

Apparently he has had people in his life who used to take a KJB-Only position but have changed. The sad thing is that this is more an indication that they themselves did not understand the reasons why it may be God‘s position, because they have moved away from that understanding.

There is a LOT more to insisting on the KJB as THE standard for Christians than just tradition.

Let’s take his questions in raw form, as is:

#1. There are several different texts used in Bible translation.  How do we know the texts upon which the King James was based are inerrant?

The supremacy of the KJB does not just depend on its based-on text, the Textus Receptus, which is also known as The Majority Text, as it comprises about 95 percent of the manuscripts and codexes from ancient times that exist today of the New Testament. The Hebrew text used for the Old Testament is for most translations the Mazoretic, which is pretty much agreed to by all scholars as best representing the originals.

There are two main body of texts. The Majority Text, which is majority for getting the most respect from the earliest Christians in most ancient times, the text the Byzantines-then-Greek Orthodox never gave up.

But we must understand anyway that today there is absolutely no existing “original” text of any book or part of the Bible in existence today. What we have are multiple generations of copies of copies. So when any of the modern version advocates or anti-KJB commenters talk about “only the originals are inspired”, what are they talking about?

Because they do not know WHAT they are talking about, because there are NO existing “original autographs” anywhere in the world today, those are long gone on the dust heap of history. So by their own claims, they have NO BASIS to back up what they say about fidelity to the so-called “originals”.

But it’s a good question, How do you know? There are good reasons for the Textus Receptus over the Alexandrian texts, among other things being that the Alexandrian texts claimed as basis and used in modern versions h ave bigger differences among themselves than they do from the Majority Text.

Another is “By their fruits ye shall know them”.

#2. How can any translation be inerrant, since we don’t know what some Hebrew and Greek words used in the Bible actually mean?  How could they have been translated correctly?  For example, the Hebrew word תיבת or teiveh only appears twice in the Old Testament.  It is the word for Noah’s ark, and the word for Moses’ baby basket.  Nobody knows exactly what it means, though.

“Nobody knows exactly what it means” today, maybe, but this is another evidence of the excellent knowledge of the 70 or so brilliant scholars that worked on the King James Bible. These are people who had a dedicated, sincere love for the Lord, and at the same time did not lack for fluency in the Biblical languages. They wrote prose in those languages, they could hold debates in these languages, they could have revived them in a way similar to the Hebrew spoken today in Israel, except that their Greek would have been closer to the ancient Koine.

But they did not manifest the hubris, the pride, or the guesswork of the modern translators when it came to a word that they really did not understand.

For example, when they came across the Hebrew word “behemoth” in the book of Job, they did not take a wild guess like your modern versions. “Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.” -Job 40:15. They didn’t even add the misleading NIV footnote saying it could be a hippo or an elephant, which between the lines says “your guess is as good as ours”.

But the “elephant” guess is WORSE today than even just treating it like the KJB does, because it’s a sign of unbelief.

No the KJB scholars did not know the word so they transliterated it, and if you read the text you’ll understand it’s the description of a dinosaur without doubt. But the modern graduate of the dumbed-down schools of today cannot believe Genesis, they do not believe the Bible cover to cover, so they guess at something else.

#3. A related problem is that there are many Hebrew and Greek words for which we do know the meaning, but there is no corresponding English word with exactly the same meaning.  How can any translation in any language be inerrant?

Let’s explain by example.

Revelation 13: 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Note that word “in”, as in “in their right hand”. The NKJV, NIV, NLT, that is really ALL the modern translations replace the word “in” with “on”.

At the following link find some amazing insights into the guiding hand of God and the expertise of the KJB translators in using the word “in” instead of the misleading “on”, and the wild perversion of the word with the word “tattoo” in some:

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/hinton_rev_13_16.html

From John Hinton: The preposition epi can also mean in, to, at, with, along with, and a number of other similar meanings. It must be read in context before it is translated, and unlike the correctors of today, the KJV translators were able to do that. They did, and they realized that a xaragma, which is translated as mark, involves a scratching or etching into the skin. This, we could imply, would include injections, although the idea of injections was not known when the text was written. Any philologist of even meager ability realizes that prepositions cannot be put into neat little boxes. They virtually never translate perfectly from one language to another. For instance, if we were to make a word for word translation of “turn the light on” or “turn the light off” into any foreign language, we would not be understood at all. For another example, when one learns a preposition in Arabic like ‘ala, the meaning of “on” will be learned first. If we were to try to translate it as “on” in every instance, we would make a complete mess out of the language, because ‘ala means a whole lot more than just “on”, and it frequently requires either a lot of experience or a lot of thought to discern what it means in a given passage. I am sure that there is not a language in the world that uses prepositions that does not have other examples. The translators of old put their discernment to work when they translated epi; the modern version pseudo-translators did not.”

That’s why he felt compelled to introduce the above paragraph with this commentary:

Revelation 13:16 is one of those verses that fakes and second-rate Greek scholars use to puff themselves up, and it requires only the most elementary level of study. Yes, indeed, when epi is used as a preposition it is most often translated as “on” just as all dictionaries will tell us. I did learn this the very first day that I began studying koine Greek, and probably learned it the first day that I began studying Greek twenty some years ago when my focus was on Modern Greek. This is as basic as it gets, so why do these Bible “correcting” pipsqueaks think that these great scholars of old, who were far more educated than they will ever be, did not know the most common meaning of epi? This is not just ignorance, but the worst kind of arrogance. The fact that they chose not to translate epi as “on” demonstrates that they knew something the modern quasi or pseudo-scholar does not know. These 53 men (the 54th died early) knowingly translated or approved of the translation of epi as “in” in its context for a reason.

#4. Even if it were possible to have a perfect, inerrant translation – how do we know it’s the King James?

That’s the best question yet. You can just follow the word itself for this one, even the modern perversions haven’t been able to cover up the Biblical basis for this.

While we’re into this one, keep in mind that the modern translators have absolutely no Biblical basis whatsoever to say that God cannot have inspired a translation for modern times. None. Their “Biblical” objections are actually ad hoc character assassinations mostly, and the use of the word “cult” as pejorative, and other irrelevant noise.

God promised in Psalm 12:8 to keep his pure words preserved, as silver purified in the furnace and tried seven times.

The most important thing God has to tell us, to show us, is his word. Some anti-KJBO screeds take exception to Psalm 12, saying it means something else. Even based on their mouthings, even if you think it’s a promise to preserve the poor, what do you think is more valuable to God but the word. After all, that’s Jesus without the flesh (John 1:1)

God knew that English would be the standard language around the world in today’s troubled times. It is the international language of commerce, trade, diplomacy, business, journalism, science, technology, and as a software developer I can tell you that ALL programming languages are based on English. To be a real hacker, take it from Eric Steven Raymond, one of the original group that invented the word at MIT in the earliest computing days:

http://tinyurl.com/2t9ab

“As an American and native English-speaker myself, I have previously been reluctant to suggest this, lest it be taken as a sort of cultural imperialism. But several native speakers of other languages have urged me to point out that English is the working language of the hacker culture and the Internet, and that you will need to know it to function in the hacker community.”

At every international airport in the world, if you cannot speak fluent English enough to handle fast-talking emergencies, you cannot be an air traffic controller. I’ve lived in Latin America, and doctors follow developments in medicine in the English journals.

That’s merely evidence that it would be most likely according to God’s desire to have us “make disciples of all nations”, to use English.

If it hadn’t have been ‘er, who’d have been ‘er, as the saying goes. If not the KJB, which? Every criticism of the KJB that I have ever seen, every one, without exception , has been itself flawed and has proven to be without merit.

God is not the author of confusion. There are more than 100 English language translations and “paraphrases” oday on sale. I Corinthians 14 says God is not the author of confusion, and it’s talking about interpretation of tongues.

Can God inspire a translation? There are at least a dozen places in scripture that were obviously first written as translations from a different language, including Joseph’s conversations in the Egyptian, Daniel’s in Babylonian, and “King of the Jews”, and modern translators claim that those original translations were inspired, so they agree that a God can guide a translation.

There is internal consistency in the King James, it does not contradict itself. Doctrine testifies to it. In the King James you put out a heretic from fellowship, in the NIV you put out Jesus, because it says to remove anybody who is “divisive”.

#5. Even if the King James Bible was inerrant in 1611, when it was written, how can it be inerrant now, since the English language has changed so much in the last 400 years?  Many English words do not mean the same thing in today’s English as they did in 1611 English.

The King James Bible kept the English language stable over 400 years, after its previous erratic wanderings. The KJB is just as understandable today as then. A lot of the words that have been called “archaic” by people who did not know better are simply a matter of simply learning English, not archaic at all.

Along those lines, this is one complaint about the “thee”s and “thou”. But those words had gone generally out of use by the 13th or 14th century. The reason those words are in the KJB is for accuracy. It distinguishes the second person singular pronoun from the second person plural. There are a number of passages where this makes much difference.

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21 Responses to “KJB Clarifications: Answers to Questions”

  1. Freedomborn Says:

    Thank you for your understanding of the Scriptures it was informative and for the pingback, Wendy and Bob need our prayers as our Sister and Brother in the Body of Christ..

    When seeking answers I go to our only Teacher Jesus Christ who through the empowering of The Holy Spirit Teaches us all Truth including error in Translations of the Bible, my faith is not based on a book but the Author of the book. He inspired the original Scriptures and also lead those who continued to Translate it and apart from the Cults Translations any error is not to deceive.

    There is some definite facts we do know about the early Greek Scriptures, as an example they were all written in Upper case and there was no small particles such as it, is, a , as etc also Scripture confirms Scripture and many of the events that the Scriptures refer to are also documented in Secular History but the Supernatural enlightenment we need to understand the Scriptures can only come as I said from the Lord and His Truth has no error or time frame and is never ending and will always be Victorious over deception.

    Christian Love Anne

  2. Rich Wendling Says:

    I have a few more questions. I have been trying to find a logical explanation justifying the KJBO position for a long time, and your explanation is a bit different than others I have studied.

    Your answer to my first three questions boils down to the belief that the KJV was essentially re-inspired, and is not dependent on the inerrancy of the Textus Receptus or the translation process. If I understand your argument, you believe the original autographs were inerrant, but the originals no longer exist. Therefore, God inspired the KJV to replace the originals as the only inerrant Bible. Is this correct?

    This is a new concept to me, one that I would like to have further explained.

    You correctly stated, “While we’re into this one, keep in mind that the modern translators have absolutely no Biblical basis whatsoever to say that God cannot have inspired a translation for modern times. None.” My question : What Biblical basis is there that God DID inspire an inerrant modern translation?

    You refer to Psalm 12:6-7 (not Psalm 12:8):
    6The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    7Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
    I understand that this verse (and others) tell us that God’s Word is eternal, and can never be changed, altered, or corrupted. Yet, if I understand you correctly, it WAS corrupted, from the time the original autographs disappeared, until the KJV was completed. If this is true, then logically Psalm 12:6-7 cannot be referring to the written Bible, but to something else. If your understanding of Psalm 12:6-7 is correct, then how do you explain the “gap” in inerrant Bibles between the original autographs and the KJV?

    You also indirectly refer to 1 Corinthians 14:33:
    33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
    In context, this verse is referring to confusion during corporate worship and meeting, not to different Bible translations. It seems that you are pulling this verse out of context to make your point. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just that this verse is a weak support in context.

    To go from Psalm 12:6-7 and 1 Corinthians 14:33 to the conclusion that the KJV is inerrant seems like a tremendous leap in logic. Are there other passages that support this view, or can you further explain how you conclude from Psalm 12:6-7 that the KJV is inerrant? How do you logically get from “Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever” to the belief that the KJV is the fulfillment of this verse?

    And, on a side note, I completely agree with you that behemoth was a dinosaur – probably a sauropod.

  3. trutherator Says:

    Taking one thing at a time:
    Q: Reinspiration:
    The original autographs not only do not exist, but in Jeremiah we see that the first one dictated direct from God was destroyed, and God had Jeremiah put pen to paper again. “Re-inspired”. I don’t know if I would use the word “re-inspired”, but, based on promises in the Word about God’s Word, as a listed, we must look for one standard for God’s word down to jot and tittle. Jesus wasn’t talking about the literal marks in Hebrew but it is an obvious expression that points to the most minute nuances of meaning in God’s Word. So Jesus himself promised the most fine-tuned micro-sized piece of meaning in his word would not be lost.

    A: The only candidate that jumps to the front of the line quick is the KJB, for other reasons as well.

    Q: “What Biblical basis is there that God DID inspire an inerrant modern translation?”

    A: See the previous answer to see that God will not leave us without His Word and He will preserve it. Forever. Since the “original language” tsext is gone, there has to be something.

    Q:Yet, if I understand you correctly, it WAS corrupted, from the time the original autographs disappeared, until the KJV was completed

    A: You did not understand correctly. Nothing I said meant that there was no source for God’s word extant before the KJB, but quite the contrary, logically, as you did understand correctly. But I did not live then and so do not know. I suspect there was something somewhere (from the promises) but that (1) the knowledge of it, I suspect, had diffused, and (2) God had some greater thing to prepare for the last days, and (3) considering the following.

    There was a time during the kings of Israel that their scripture, the book of the Law, had disappeared from everywhere, destroyed by a wicked king. But in remodeling a copy was discovered hidden in a wall of the temple, a priest brought it to the king, and he had the land repent with trembling and so it was preserved.

    Q: 1 Corinthians 14:33:
    33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. In context, this verse is referring to confusion during corporate worship and meeting, not to different Bible translations.

    A: Of course absolutely I know what the verse was referring to, but –in context, mind you– it refers to the fact that God is not the author of confusion. It was a reference to the gift of interpretation and prophecy being more to be sought than of tongues that no one understands, and so there is a parallel for the subject of interpretation.

    So God is not the author of the confusion of “translations” we have today, which are “interpretations” of the Biblical languages.

    Why would God have us so confused? Some claim God guides them in their study but then why trust in man in the first place whose breath is in his nostrils, especially when they graduate from ungodly schools of today’s world, including so many “cementeries of faith” that used to be seminaries?

    Q: To go from Psalm 12:6-7 and 1 Corinthians 14:33 to the conclusion that the KJV is inerrant seems like a tremendous leap in logic.

    A: Seems like because we’ve been led to believe that God can have so many versions of his word. If not the KJB, then what? And I’ve heard probably a hundred times more criticisms of the KJB than you because I’m in the middle of discussions on it, others more than me, and they all fall down.

    God has one standard, one Bible, that’s according to his word. From there it’s consider the fruits, internal consistency, all the characteristics you would expect from the Word. There are many, lots of them. Just one more example is that the KJB, even with its formal equivalency standard and all, is much more given to memorization because of the cadence in the reading of it.

    If you listen to Alexander Scorby’s reading of the KJB, you can feel the anointing because he is like a channel for the Word, but that’s also because the KJB is given to inspire.

  4. Freedomborn Says:

    Man will continue to Trust in their own understanding of the written word, while ever they reject the Living Word as their only Teacher, it is not man’s wisdom that has no error it is God’s.

    Just as a point of interest for both of you the word Dinosaur was not coined till the 1800 before that Dragon was used and if you read the description of these giant Animals in the Scriptures you can see where folklore gleamed it’s stories from.

    Trusting in our own logic, reasoning and wisdom or someone else’s will lead to error.

    All Translations indeed have error in them, Jesus Christ the Living Word is the Truth and He never changes and it’s His Words that are pure and will remain so for eternity and as our guide He leads us into all Truth… He is The Light!

    Christian Love Anne

  5. Freedomborn Says:

    Man will continue to Trust in their own understanding of the written word, while ever they reject the Living Word as their only Teacher, it is not man’s wisdom that has no error it is God’s.

    Just as a point of interest for both of you the word Dinosaur was not coined till the 1800 before that Dragon was used and if you read the description of these giant Animals in the Scriptures you can see where folklore gleamed it’s stories from.

    Trusting in our own logic, reasoning and wisdom or someone else’s will lead to error.

    All Translations indeed have error in them, Jesus Christ the Living Word is the Truth and He never changes and it’s His Words that are pure and will remain so for eternity and as our guide He leads us into all Truth… He is The Light!

    Christian Love Anne

    Sorry I used my personal address before

  6. trutherator Says:

    I do NOT trust in man, whose breath is in his nostrils, and therefore do NOT trust in ” our own logic, reasoning, and wisdom or someone else’s” therefore I trust in GOD to preserve his word.

    If you think “All Translations have error in them”, and you know that all the “original autographs” do not exist today, then the only way you can say what God’s word is to trust in your “own logic, reasoning, and wisdom or someone else’s”, because you are saying flat-out that God did not care to give us just one Bible for the last days, when it is most important for us.

    • Freedomborn Says:

      Not sure who your replying to trutherator my name is Anne or you can use Freedomborn but presuming you are responding to my comment if this is not so I’m sorry but then Truth is always beneficial. I don’t just think I know all translations have error, I know without a doubt they do, the least I have found is the K.J.V but most error is not to deceive but with some translations it is.

      I repeat….When Man continues to Trust in their own logic, wisdom, reasoning and understanding of the written word, rejecting the Living Word Jesus as our only Teacher by the empowering of The Holy Spirit, and not asking for God’s wisdom with all their heart and then believing they have received it, there will continue to be error in their understanding of God and His Truth.

      Jesus Christ the Living Word is the Truth and He never changes and it’s His Words that are pure and will remain so for eternity and as our guide, He revels man’s error as He leads us into all Truth… He is The Light!… If you have the mind of Christ you will not walk in deception. We Trust in The Author of The Bible, Jesus told the Pharisees who studied the Scriptures without acknowledging Him that they were missing the Truth and so is man today, when you say you believe in Jesus you need to know what that means and respond to Him as He asks. Below are just a few Scriptures that show us our Freedom in Christ Jesus there are many more.

      1 Corinthians 2: 1-16 ( 9-16 ) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that Love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with Spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the Mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? but we have the Mind of Christ..(KJV)

      John 15:14-15 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you Friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.(KJV)

      Matthew 10:26-28 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops (KJV)

      Christian Love Anne.

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    • trutherator Says:

      This goes to both Anne and “The Narrow Path”: Every single so-called “example” of error in the KJB proved to be bogus, along the lines of atheist criticisms of the Bible.

      But again, on any doctrine at all, how are you going to know what God’s word is, if you cannot point to any evidence on Earth for your claims about what it says?

      You’re going to trust in your own walk with the Lord? That’s not trusting the Lord, that’s trusting in yourself! Like the Pharisees that challenged the truth saying, Who are you to question us? And, have any of the elders believed in him? So it’s either you, the Pharisees, the Pope, your pastor or your translator.

      To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

      • Freedomborn Says:

        Sorry trutherator it is you who is not trusting in the Lord but a book translated by man, if you ask for God’s wisdom He will give it to you ( see below) but you must believe you have received it and want it with all your heart when realising you need it 100%.

        I am not an Atheist I am a redeemed Child of God and my name is Anne Stocks, I don’t hide behind a false identity, I don’t need to.

        Jesus is The Living Word and the only Word that is Pure and cannot be defiled by man, He is God’s witness, His Truth in these end times… He is also God as part of The Godhead and cannot be corrupted.

        Words change today, we are not completely sure of what the original Greek meanings were, we are only translating from the Greek that is and was known . The word Debate accepted as good today but not so in the translated K.J.B but what did it mean in the original Greek, yes there are words that have not changed as there were no small particles in the early Greek Language and it was all written in Upper case the same as some of the Old Testament was, there was also no punctuation, grammar chapters verses books etc even Secular recordings bear witness to these.

        God’s Truth does not change in any detail and it will be known to those who have eyes to see, meaning they have God’s wisdom, Logic and reasoning and they are Trusting in Him not man so regardless of the Translation used God will keep His Truth pure.

        Isa 37:35 -36 For I will defend this city to save it for mine own sake, and for my servant David’s sake. Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

        Another Translation makes it clearer…. and when people arose early in the morning, there were the corpses—all dead.

        Some claim the Codex Codex Sinaiticus can be trusted to confirm, I use the K.J.V because of copyright even though the old English script is hard for some to understand but I have found if read in context and confirmed with other Scriptures it explains itself and gives a very good account in regards to God’s Truth and in regards to History as recorded in the Scriptures and Secular writings of that time but I Trust In God alone to give full understanding not a book that was translated by man although an excellent tool which does indeed reveal God’s Truth when used with His wisdom but it is just a book that can be wrongly understood without it, they are God’s thoughts and cannot be understood without the Holy Spirit Corinthians 2 :9-16

        Blog Post – http://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/the-gaining-of-wisdom/

        I wish you well who ever you are and will pray that you will accept the gift that God offers you not mans.

        Christian Love Anne.

  8. trutherator Says:

    Unreliable translations are from MEN and their own wisdom. The most important thing God wants us to have today is his WORD; he promised that not one jot or tittle would pass till all be fulfilled, and we all know that he was using an expression to promise that every nuance of meaning would be preserved without question.

    Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not accordingtothisword, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

    So if every nuance of meaning is promised preservation forever, till “all” be fulfilled (for us that means the other side of the Millenium of course), AND if any of MAN’s “translations” falls short, he promised one standard.

    There is only one candidate for that standard, one that has stood the test of time, proven to be the target of hate by the architects of the modern translations.

    This is trusting in GOD. If not the KJB then what? Nothing!

    And every “error” I have seen in the KJB has proven to expose the accuser as ridiculous!

    And he gave us a way we can measure any of man’s wisdom:

  9. Freedomborn Says:

    Hi Trutherator, the one jot or one tittle was in reference to the Law not the K.J.V translation, they were written on stone the jot or tittle is confirming that none of God’s Truth regardless of how insignificant some think it is will ever be lost. Many claim we are not under the law and so we are free to sin because we are forgiven this is not what the Scriptures tell us, when we are Born again we no longer sin and the Law is upheld as we are perfected in Love and walk in it.

    Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

    Romans 6 : 1 – 2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

    Romans 3:30-31 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

    Christian Love from both of us – Anne.

  10. trutherator Says:

    “Law, or the prophets” it says. And if you want to say he only meant the Torah, then the same principle applies. You actually agree with me when you say “none of God’s Truth regardless of how insignificant some think it is will ever be lost.”.

    But then you contradict yourself if you say that we cannot have one Bible to hold in our hands and read and measure all truth against it down to the supposedly most “insignificant” parts of meaning.

    God’s word he promised to “preserve forever”.

  11. Freedomborn Says:

    Not sure who you are talking to again Trutherator, but as I have shared quiet a few times, God’s Word is His Truth and cannot be changed, God’s Living Word is Jesus Christ, and will be forever, He has no end, His words are written on our heart, all earthly things such as books including the K.J.V will cease to be in eternity.

    Christian Love from both of us – Anne

  12. trutherator Says:

    And where is this “God’s Word is His Truth and cannot be changed”?

    Where can I go to see this Word of God that cannot be changed?

    If it “cannot be changed”, why are there more than 100 different versions of it in English and massive conflicts among the Greek manuscripts and codexes that exist?

    And since “His words are written in our hearts”, why do we need the scripture?

  13. Freedomborn Says:

    Hi Trutherator, Jesus is the Living Word 1John, He is our only Teacher and He has written His Truth on our hearts, He is The Truth and is unchangable and when we hear His Truth in Scripture because we are in Him we recognise it as Truth, sadly many don’t because they depend on their own wordly reasoning, logic, fleshy wisdom and understanding.

    We see this with the Pharisees, they diligently studied the Scriptures but rejected Jesus who they spoke of, sadly it’s the same today instead of asking for God’s wisdom they go to their books or teachers, collages etc trusting in their worldly wisdom instead of God’s. They also don’t show respect or Love to others and mock and slander them if they don’t agree yet still claiming they will agree to disagree but as this just ends in division they never resolve their differances as God tells us to do.

    Mr name is Anne or Freedomborn Trutherator or whoever you are, please use my name if you wish me to respond in future, we need to show respect for each other and be in Unity…

    Kind Regards Anne.

  14. Freedomborn Says:

    Sorry Trutherator the referance was suppose to be John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    There are other referances to Jesus being The Living Word and Living God in the Scriptures as you know doubt know , what a Blessing He is.

    Kind regards Anne.

  15. trutherator Says:

    In the beginning the word was God, and Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever. The Word tells us to distrust New Age doctrines such as thinking the spirit trumps the Word, which is totally unscriptural.

    So why anybody would think they can figure it out and distinguish the voice of God without the word of God is trusting in man, whose breath is in his nostrils. It’s not the KJB believers who trust in things of this world, but those who think they don’t need one standard for God’s truth, and who think God wouldn’t even care about making sure we had one!

    God’s word says to put out heretics from the congregation, but the modern adulterated ‘scriptures’ say to shun those who “cause division”. So Jesus is not welcome in those places. A local Presbyterian congregation just broke from the older denomination, and they were using the verses about division.

    KJB’ers didn’t even cause the “division”. Modern versionists who say we cannot be sure what the Word of God is, they are the ones who broke away but want to control the rest of us!

    “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God”! You cannot have true faith to know Jesus except by hearing his voice, and you learn his voice in the spirit by diligent study of his word! Otherwise there’ “no light in” you.

    • Freedomborn Says:

      As you have once again Trutherator have decided not to show respect by using my name this will be my final reply but you know where to find us.

      I always use Scripture to confirm but as I said before you can’t have the mind of Christ and not know your daddy or Abba Father or have His wisdom and not understand His Truth.

      You either believe you have God’s wisdom or you don’t, the Scriptuer is very clear on this, if you ask and you don’t believe you have received God’s wisdom and instead continue to depend on your own or someone else’s fleshy, worldly, understanding, teaching , logic and reasoning or experiences without the leading of our only Teacher Jesus Christ then your unstable in all you believe and so will have doubts.

      1 Corinthians 2:9-16 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that Love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with Spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the Mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? but we have the Mind of Christ.

      John 15:14-15 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.(KJV)

      Matthew 10:26-28 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops (KJV)

      Please check out the Link below if you have any futher questions – Christian Love Anne.

      http://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/the-gaining-of-wisdom/

  16. trutherator Says:

    Anne, I didn’t mean any disrespect by neglecting to include your name, I thought it was obvious, after all, my post just followed yours.

    Let’s stick to the points instead of personal offense.

    If you depend on the “fleshy, worldly, understanding, teaching , logic and reasoning or experiences” of modern version translators without the leading of a standard by which you can measure their mouthings like the Bereans did, then you have neglected to get God’s wisdom.

    There is no wisdom that can contradict God’s word. If two books contradict each other, one of them is not God’s word. There is no reasoning against God’s word.

    You have given no Biblical basis at all, not one, for saying that God would not inspire or guide a translation. As a matter of fact, even the modern variations admit in their own pages that are a great many translations in the “original autographs”.

    You quote the word to prove that you don’t need God’s word, just his spirit. How would you know the word says that?

    You haven’t answered my questions. That makes your dropping out of the conversation look like you’re running away from them. I ask that you consider the questions instead. I’m sorry I didn’t use your name before, Anne.

    And where is this “God’s Word is His Truth and cannot be changed”?

    Where can I go to see this Word of God that cannot be changed?

    If it “cannot be changed”, why are there more than 100 different versions of it in English and massive conflicts among the Greek manuscripts and codexes that exist?

    And since “His words are written in our hearts”, why do we need the scripture?

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