Miracles and Gifts Are for Us Today!

>>It was asked in another Group, “I want to understand what a Christian is taught about why only some disciples became apostles.”

“I’m glad you asked that question.” 🙂

Someone answered with this:

>>The twelve through nineteen men who where called an Apostle in the New Testament were in one way or another chosen directly by Yeshua Moshiach to be more than just an disciple, and the words disciple and Apostle were sort of used interchangeably when talking about them. The only difference that I could really find between the Apostles and the other hundreds of true disciples of Christ, is that Christ chose them for more of a purpose than just being a disciple.

—That, my friends, is of special note, the interchangeable use of the two words. I do find one difference, where Paul mentions his authority as an apostle in I Corinthians 9:1: Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?

In the context of the chapter preceding, he invokes the title to strengthen the point of his teaching about considering he weaker spiritual vessels and abstaining from meats when he eats with vegetarians, the like.

In the context of the following scriptures it is to emphasize the authority he has to ask for support in view of his ministering spiritual things to them.

I have heard of this verse being used to support the argument that “apostle” is a stronger honorific than is “disciple”. But he is using the title here for things that the same dispensationalism teachers use for their own support (reaping spiritual things and reaping carnal).

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Here’s another common misconception:

>>To the Apostles Yeshua Moshiach gave them authority to cast out unclean spirits, and to heal every disease and every bodily weakness. But after all the nineteen Apostles were dead there is no record in the Bible of more being made. In any case, all most everything the Apostles did where done by other followers of Christ using their Spiritual Gifts that were given to them by Christ after Christ accepted them into His family.

Now you’re using absence of evidence as implying evidence of absence. That’s a logical chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon. Nonetheless, consider Luke 10, where the word “apostle” is not uttered once:

Luke 10:1 ¶After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luke 10:17 ¶And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

When Jesus charged the eleven and whoever else was present in Mark 16 with the Great Commission, he could have said “These signs shall follow you” (to the eleven) but he did NOT. Instead, he said, “And these signs shall follow them that BELIEVE;”:

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

-And sure enough there have been enough healing outside the apostles. Ananias in Acts 9 is called a “disciple”. Just to say that the gifts of miracles faded away when the apostles went on is a conjecture. Thing is the entire New Testament, Revelation included, was written during the times of the apostles, so it is a conjecture based on the warped history preserved by the Roman Catholic Church. But they never gave up on healing either for that matter, even though they introduced superstitions later like a statuettes that bleed and all that.

I’ve seen all the verses that purport to indicate the death of the gifts and callings of God and there is not one of those verses that says anything about an expiration date for them. And all the reasons for them being ended are applicable as well to the same preachers that teach these things, and the reasons they give for them being given in the first place are reasons for the gifts persisting throughout the ages to the present day.

I have known and met Christians who had been healed –after group prayer and laying on of hands (or not)– of asthma, migraines, cancer (she helps a local missionary food distribution work), a distended belly (my stepdaughter) that refused to quit and the doctors gave up on that was healed after prayer, a brother with a “leaky” heart (something like that, according to his doctors) for which he was given six months tops by military doctors discharged who lived fifty years more, and this last was born of a mother who had been healed of an accident that had her bedridden for five years and was walking around with a missing vertebra!

I worked with missionaries ministering to the wandering youth of the 1960s (like I was) in California, and some of the brethren told me about a bus that stopped in the middle of a road trip to a camp they had, where for press of time and certain urgencies could not spend time in repairs (without the means as well). So without looking at the engine even they laid hands on it, commanded it in the name of Jesus to go, and it started up and took them there.

You skeptics already heckling, the punchline is that when they got to the destination and opened it up to see what the problem was, it was a cracked block!

The days of miracles, and the days of God honoring his saints’ prayers and the days of the gifts of healing and miracles is not over, not! “All good things” come from above, from “the father of lights”.

There are people who have successfully prayed for others for healing while they themselves are still wheelchair bound, no matter, God has his purpose in these things.

Folks like Joni Eareckson Tada are doing a magnificent work for the Lord encouraging others in similar conditions. One testimony I read once was of a man convicted in his heart by a fellow with no legs who was one of the most cheerful people he had ever met.

So no, it’s not because she’s a big sinner she’s there, it’s because she’s a big saint! I don’t think I would have the grace for that, or maybe I would but she’s the one God trusted with it.

In Joel’s book it says in the last days we’ll have dreams and visions, and in Daniel it says specifically about the Tribulation that “the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits”. Nothing shall hurt the two prophets in Jerusalem and fire comes out of their mouths and destroys their enemies.

“Greater works than these shall ye do” NOT because “ye are my disciples” or “apostles” but “because I go unto the Father”

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

alan

Isaiah 45:11 ¶Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

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