Pray for peace: Israel and Bible Prophecy

Me: You cannot deduce the date for the creation of the state of Israel from Deutoronomy or even all the Messianic prophecies. “Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself” is dated to the year, and not much more.

Deuteronomy says that discipline will be multiplied 7 times if they did not repent. The restoration of the state in May 1948 and the capture of Jerusalem in June 1967 took place to the day at the end of the relevant periods. The exact dates are on a tape I have, but it will take time for me to find the right one and get the details right.

That tape surely uses symbols and letters and numbers and formulas to make the claim, but that way lay ruin, as Peter warned about Paul’s letters against twisting the scriptures “to their own destruction”. Those calculations will get you in trouble, except for the seven-year countdown that starts ticking with the “Holy Covenant” of Daniel, and the time line therein. But that one is explicit.

Certainly the end-times references include allusions to the “temple of God” and all that and clearly center around Jerusalem. But these are geopolitical references.

But Christians should remember that the godly Jews in the O.T. were the ones for whom the promise of blessing was made for Abraham’s descendants, and that woudl be those who had the faith to follow the prophets and obey God. In the New Testament, that would mean the Jews that followed Jesus, and the Gentiles that followed Jesus. The blessings of God promised for God’s people apply to the followers of JESUS, NOT THE PHARISEES!

The promises of God in relation to the descendants of Jacob and the land and their position in regard to other nations have not yet been fulfilled. These promises were ultimately unconditional. Although Israel could be disciplined, even to the extent of removing them from their land, this was always going to be discipline, even though very severe. Israel will never be completely cut off. (Romans 11)

It is common to treat the promises to Israel as though they were promises to the church. This is quite invalid. The church unexpectedly allows gentiles to share in the promises to Israel. Israel has temporarily been removed from its privileged position, because they rejected their Messiah. This will not continue forever.

The promises to the descendants of Jacob, and the “unconditional” promises made to Abraham, were very much

  • indeed
  • conditional. God told Abraham he couldn’t inherit the land yet because the cup of iniquity of its inhabitants was not “full”. Moses’ writings said God would drive them out of the land if the followed the pagan practices of the land, and he did. The ten northern tribes are now gone, vanished, that’s ten tribes out of the twelve!!!

    Their blood was assimilated into the surrounding peoples, so maybe some of those “unconditional promises” apply to the Syrians and the Iraquis and the Lebanese, eh? Especially the Bible-believing Christians among them who show the fruits of scripture?

    While the people ruling Israel are descended mostly from European stock. Maybe the Hezbollah have more of Jacob’s blood in them than the converted ancestors of the Ashkenazi, eh?

    After Darby and Scofield and other copycats started the foolishness of pre-trib rapture and dispensations, Christians started getting all confused about it.

    Galatians 6:16 is NOT the only verse that says that Christ-believers are the ones who inherit the kingdom of heaven/kingdom of God, they are multitudes. Matthew 3:9, Luke 3:8, John 8:39 states that the circumcised genealogical descendants of Abraham were NOT Abraham’s children. (If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.). Read Acts 7 again, where Stephen called them stiffnecked and uncircumcised, betrayers and murderers.

    Jesus told a parable in which the stewards of the Master’s land slayed the SON of the Master, thinking they would get away with it, but go read what Jesus said the Master would do with those wicked stewards. It says right there in the text that the Pharisees knew he was talking about THEM. Those are the Pharisees (along with a lot more Saducees now) that rule in Israel.
    “The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof”. Romans 4:14-16 makes clear that the promise is sure to those who are of the faith of Abraham. “Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

    I could post a few thousand more but that should be a starter for thinking…

    As to Balfour and all that, many pretribbers give too much credit to Balfour. What brought the Brits’ Empire down was DARWINISM. “If the foundations be removed, who can stand?”

    The Pharisees are in charge again in Israel. The ones in charge there, some of them no doubt, spit sputtle and scrub their hands raw after shaking hands with a Christian. I’ve met some “spiritual” orphans who were disowned by their Orthodox families after they accepted Christ.

    I still love them, and much of this view was inspired by writings from Jewish Christians, by the way. I have lived with them, broken bread with them, slept in their homes and they in mine, and they are as good as blood brothers or better.

    God cannot bless a reprobate attitutde. He will bless anybody with the proper motives in their helping their neighbors, including them, but “without respect of persons”.

    Many Israeli policies have abused its non-Jewish population. A missionary I know visited there in the 1970s, had dinner with a Palestinian Arab doctor who had to make a living as a janitor, a Christian by the way, because he was not allowed to practice medicine. In negotiations the Syrians pulled out a Wanted poster of Begin, “Wanted for Terrorism”, printed by the Brits during WWII.

    Hiding these facts doesn’t help the Jews either in Israel or anywhere else. I do believe in helping them, fighting for peace, real peace, among them all. There are many Jews and Palestinians and Arabs and yes Moslems working on that.

    But they don’t help when for example when they do things like deny the opportunity for a Muslim from Turkey to participate in an anti-terrorism conference, like they did with Harum Yahya, a creationist by the way.

    They bulldoze the houses of an entire family of Palestinians whenever one of them is presumably caught in activities. This is a way of forcing them to move, “ethnic cleansing light”, just as was the policy with the settlements. A news story recently said they announced an end to this policy, but we still hear of bulldozings.. Some Jewish settlements have been razed for sure. It would be interesting to compare…

    Of course Israel makes no real claim to be a theocracy, it’s a secular state, although there is official favoritism toward Orthodox rules.

    I worked with a (very) Jewish fellow once from South Africa who went there to join the Israeli Army. The religious Jews don’t have to serve in the military but everybody else does and the secular Jews bitterly resent it. At least many Christians agree the nation is no more godly than most other nations. A hopelessly wrongheaded interpretation of scripture might only turn out to be supporting an Ahab-and-Jezebel type regime.

    The temple as we think of it will probably be restored eventually, and it is apparently the best interpretation of Daniel 9 and other scripture, as part of the Anti-Christ’s covenant. When the sacrifice is stopped, “then” shall occur the Tribulation, said Jesus, and “immediately after” the Tribulation, said Jesus, he will appear again…

    Nonetheless, Jews among us for these two thousand years have been major contributors to science, and civilization in general, and we cannot forget that. The Koran itself recognizes that the “People of the Book” came before Mohammed, from their prophet’s own mouth, and they are to be respected.

    As a matter of fact, before the troubles that began taking form in the last part of the 19th century, Muslims, Christians and Jews all lived together in harmony and peace for centuries. This proves that only special geopolitical interests are the ones that contort writings on all sides to justify acts of violence against the innocent. Muslims have vented rage with me on the subject, saying there is no justification at all in Islam for killing the innocent.



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